Anonycat
Crusader
OMG! This has just peeled back a deeply hidden layer for me.
Thank you Chris! Brilliant stuff. Ripping into a labyrinth here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9fJkVJD0yQ&feature=youtu.be&a
Really great video.
OMG! This has just peeled back a deeply hidden layer for me.
Thank you Chris! Brilliant stuff. Ripping into a labyrinth here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9fJkVJD0yQ&feature=youtu.be&a
Paul, Anonycat is right. You guys ran with this so fast and assumed it was Dianetics because somebody insisted it was. I remember that thread. I know you didn't intentionally misrepresent it, too. Someone (Terril?) ran off with the Dn idea and then everyone thought TIR was from Dianetics.
I was briefed on TIR when I was interviewed in Sydney to take part in a study on it a few years ago as a subject. So I know a great deal about it.
It's a little bit like Dn. They don't ask E/S, though, or for postulates or anything like that. It's more like Freudian psychotherapy, but much more focused.
First of all, it is only for those who have had a SINGLE heavily traumatic incident. Not multiples. Unlike Dn, which is very muzzled, TIR has a bit of discussion about the incident back and forth between the counselor and patient. There are no commands like, 'Go to the beginning of the Incident, Move Through That Incident and 'Move to the end of that Incident.' Nothing like that. It's quite casual, like a conversation, but focused. I suppose a little bit muzzled, but not like Dn. The only similarity to Dn is that they do tell about the incident again to 'reduce' the trauma.
Anonycat, this really wasn't Paul's fault. Someone - and I think it was Terril - kept insisting TIR was from Dianetics though I have no idea why or who came up with that claim. Wasn't Paul, but it might be on that original thread.
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To rely on a CO$ evaluation of an auditor is very risky. They denigrate Hubbard's auditor
Mayo who previously was given hat of Senior C/S Int. for life. Same with Karen De La
Carrierre who is only one of around 7 class XII C/Ses trained by Hubbard. Phil Spickler
and Trey Lotz are an example of world class auditors who were described as failed.
Marty is another one.
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OTs have not been created so this is a failure. Other areas have had success.
{OK - name 'em }
TIR is used pretty frequently now in clinical environments and there have been a number of legitimate studies by universities and mental health centers in the last few years with variations of it. Some include exercise, for example, as well as group therapy. It's a legitimate, accepted psychology procedure now, but please see my earlier post. It's not Dianetics.
Please give docs.
By years of example & praise David Mayo, Karen De La Carrierre & Trey Lotz are all world class people & auditors. They were each highly recognized by the powers that be, fellow auditors, & most of the public . . .
Well up until they were HIT & declared.
Now Terril you damn well know THAT is beyond refute truth. But, you also know I specifically mentioned so-called wanttabe auditors who were jerked off auditing lines pronto because they didn't grasp it & couldn't begin to do anything but flub.
I'd be happy to have names and try and help.|The last time I did with Aida Thomas
class VIII I was attacked here because she was ostensibly a critic. She liked to start
all new PCs with Ethics! And fucked over my friends and aroused the ire of world
class auditor Ken Urquhart who was also friends with them.
And, Terril, in all honesty, in regards to that . . . . . . . you remain one hell of a challenge
Dear God, is there some force of nature that can get Terril to STFU in thread derails?
OMG! This has just peeled back a deeply hidden layer for me.
Thank you Chris! Brilliant stuff. Ripping into a labyrinth here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9fJkVJD0yQ&feature=youtu.be&a
Dear God, is there some force of nature that can get Terril to STFU in thread derails?
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I have come up with a bright idea to handle Terril's incessant derailing by means of posting an avalanche of his Scientology "WINS".
It occurred to me a few days ago that Terril is simply (and badly) in need of a SAFE TERMINAL to listen to him.
Then, this afternoon I spotted this guy. . .
Thus, I am setting up a DONATION button so everyone can kick in a few bucks to hire this Field Auditor to be posted full time on a special TERRIL'S WINS THREAD here on ESMB.
Please contribute generously! Just press button below--
Some people have reported that the DONATE NOW! button "Didn't Work". In such cases Terril has generously agreed to refer those beings to a standard FreeZone auditor for a case sort-out and debug. Terril reminds us that the tech always works and people who think it didn't work are in terrible case shape, requiring their overts and evil purposes to be pulled & handled on the FPRD.
Paul,
I think that Traumatic Incident Reduction (TIR) would be better on a separate thread.
That is, if anyone still wants to discuss this item.
OMG! This has just peeled back a deeply hidden layer for me.
Thank you Chris! Brilliant stuff. Ripping into a labyrinth here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9fJkVJD0yQ&feature=youtu.be&a
OMG! This has just peeled back a deeply hidden layer for me.
Thank you Chris! Brilliant stuff. Ripping into a labyrinth here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9fJkVJD0yQ&feature=youtu.be&a
Is that from the Psychiatrist that was a Scientologist for a while ?
This is a first for me, I've never quoted one of my own posts before.
This is not a suckcess story.
Something some of you may not know is that I am fairly well read on actual mind control experiments. The real deal, verified declassified documents. Hence I have a broad view of how behaviour, thoughts and emotions are conditioned using various techniques that have been experimented with. I have my own story of how I depatterned all the scientology shit in my head - of how I "mastered" the automatic thought stopping junk that I had been trained with in scientology. I have worked with some very experienced/skilled psychs the past few years to sort out the damage done during my scientology years.
It doesn't matter who wrote what in the scientology tombs - or some "lite" altered version - it is all thought-stopping stuff and leads people away from themselves. It installs a dependency that is not healthy. Good therapy increases an individuals sense of themselves, their own unique thoughts, behaviours and emotional responses. Good healthy therapy leaves you wanting to go live life, fully, unattached to anyone else's ideas or techniques. "All things scientology" does the exact opposite.
In Chris's video he beautifully manages to convey the convoluted methods that the truth rundown uses. This rundown severely messes with an individuals perception of reality and of themselves. That is a very sinister thing to do to another human, particularly when it is being done to get another to blindly conform to a masked form of servitude. Scientology is not about "freedom", it is about controlling others, domination, greed and shitty stuff like that.
Terril? I suspect I would thoroughly annoy you if we ever had a proper conversation. I'd have to do my very best to not piss you off because I would be tempted to challenge you on every circular concept you twirled round and round. What I get from the words you write and post here, is that you are in servitude to a "force" you are trained to never see/sense. Mostly I guess, if I really think about it, I feel a tinge of sadness that there are invisible chains around you. It's not a healthy way for a human to be. I could yell at you "WAKE UP!" but the patterns are so strong, all you would hear is a messy filtered noise, which you would then immediately rebuke with more of the same automatic trained-in responses.
Cup of tea anybody? Very good for the soul. Much better than messing with mind control techniques and deluding self that you are going "spiritually free".