Karen#1
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Ya, close call, Dagwoodgum!
Wow Roger, in all the past 5 yrs or so on this board I'd not seen mention of this and had forgotten about it myself. How tragic! I'll bet there are a whole lot of people who went that route only to suffer from the decision so many years later. And what does Scientology care? They got the dollars that Social Security didn't for all those years. God bless those who went with the idea and I hope they somehow manage in their later years. I feel so for Helen Geltman as that would have been my fate perhaps as well.
What I nearly got talked into would have been my personal stupidest moment in Scientology but I didn't follow through with their suggestion. What it was is, upon completion of the Ministers Course and turning in some forms to get my draft status changed to Minister (though provisional) some staff encouraged me to file a "vow of poverty" form whereby I would have become exempt from paying any and all social security taxes on my income. The idea was that the amount that my cash flow would increase would help fuel my progress up the bridge, especially if I put it all on account - which was their intention. Had I made that colossal mistake I would now be ineligible to collect Social Security, Medicare and that would really screw my living expense cash flow now that I'm retired. So glad I didn't, but I nearly went for it.
Man, the things they'd try to talk you into - your total self destruction if you didn't watch it.
HelluvaHoax, had you ever heard of this before?LOL!
It's at moments like this that I simultaneously both LAUGH and CRINGE.
--- Laughing at the sheer absurdity & audacity of Scientology's never-ending avalanche of lies.
--- Cringing at the distant but haunting thought that if L. Ron Hubbard had issued a major new discovering (based on his wholetrack research into why OTs did not allow themselves to use their miraculous powers over the MEST universe), I fear that many Scientologists (myself included?) may have been swept up in a feverish jubilance that included standing, applauding and boisterously cheering a jumbotron image of mankind's Source & Savior.
Yes, if Dr. Hubbard had "discovered" that a vow of poverty was the tech that beings needed to apply in order to escape the ravages of the physical universe trap, I dare say many Scientologists would have lined up to sign such a pledge in order to speed their journey to OT. Those that still had doubts might have signed anyways when huge posters of golden rocket ship cartoons hurtling through intergalactic space were revealed, bearing a bold headline that said: "ROCKET YOUR WAY TO OT!!!" I believe the crowd would have been filled with murmurs of "Wow, that really indicates!" and other spiritual epiphanies.
At this moment, I am sincerely trying to use all my paranormal postulates, prayers & preternatural powers to prevent such pitiably pathethic perceptions about myself. LOL
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Actually, no. Never heard of that vow of poverty being used as yet another "religious angle" by Scientology before.HelluvaHoax, had you ever heard of this before?
I wonder how many took this option being bandied about when I did the ministers course back in the mid 70's?
It could be the worst decision of one's life here in the US.
I admit I took the minister's course because I got a low military draft number and I thought they wouldn't want a chaplain from an oddball cult.
So I nearly tripped over myself getting my classification changed with the draft board.
Luckily for me the Vietnam war was over and I wasn't to get called anyway.
But the people who recommended my doing that were SO smug about being SO slick that they'd caught on to doing this...
Wonder if their smug slickness is "what really indicates" now?
Fortunately for this planet it was in 1986 that the dear Founder droped his body!back in 2006
Roger, hate to be a pest but what were the basic details of the blood bath that went on? I had moved to the boonies of Montana during those years and w/o the internet I was completely out of touch with Scientology, both the cult and my friends in it.after the blood bath of circa 1982-3 occurred that they were out of their position on staff or as Mission Holders and had their property stolen from them . . .
LOLFortunately for this planet it was in 1986 that the dear Founder droped his body!
Irayam
Check out the info on the "infamous Mission Holders meeting" of around 1982-3 in which Miscavage and a bunch of SO Gestapo descended and killed of the Mission Network by declaring all of the Mission Holders.Roger, hate to be a pest but what were the basic details of the blood bath that went on? I had moved to the boonies of Montana during those years and w/o the internet I was completely out of touch with Scientology, both the cult and my friends in it.
Thanks, this confirms a lot for me.Check out the info on the "infamous Mission Holders meeting" of around 1982-3 in which Miscavage and a bunch of SO Gestapo descended and killed of the Mission Network by declaring all of the Mission Holders.
This was also the time when Miscavage was "killing off" all the old-timer Scientologists who knew the history and correct tech of the enterprise, and many of whom had worked with and had known Hubbard for years . . .
A lot of that historical event is recorded here . . . and in other ex-Scientology forums and sites.
Check Alan's posts here . . . he wrote some info on it.
Also, I did a post regarding details of why Mark & Ellen Jones (search for their names here) dropped out and then got axed following their protest that the findings of a Comm Ev conducted my Ellen that found a field auditor was innocent of charges weas overturned by the "Convening Authority" to declare the innocent guy guilty. Mark and Ellen were outraged and acted to correct the scene only to themselves be axed.
1982-3 was purge time of all freedom and independence within the cult.
R
Absolutely it's a possibility! Their documented history shows that this is part of their playbook.Asking HelluvaHoax a Question.
Do you feel it is a possibility that the cult called in this new bomb threat on themselves like they did with Paulette Cooper ?
(as a ploy to get sympathy for all the Internet *incendiary bigotry and hate* (talking about themselves)
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...es-threat-super-bowl-ad-nyc-article-1.3805850
.Originally Posted by Enthetan
There's two main types of WISE companies: (1) Companies delivering Scientology management consulting, and (2) companies doing regular activities, like chiropractors or software development.
Why would a regular company want to be a WISE member? Because if you hire Scientologists as employees, you better be a WISE member. And WISE will keep pressure on you to flow money to Scientology, if you want to stay in good standing with WISE.
HELPFUL STABLE DATUM: There are actually three main types of WISE companies:There's two main types of WISE companies:
(1) Companies delivering Scientology management consulting, and:
(2) Companies doing regular activities, like chiropractors or software development.
HELPFUL STABLE DATUM: A regular company would not want to be a WISE member, unless:Why would a regular company want to be a WISE member?
Originally posted by Chris Shugart
This is one snazzy device, though I'm not sure what it does.
Basic details?Roger, hate to be a pest but what were the basic details of the blood bath that went on? I had moved to the boonies of Montana during those years and w/o the internet I was completely out of touch with Scientology, both the cult and my friends in it.
I'm getting the idea that I really do need to read some of the expose books covering vast periods that I missed.Basic details?
Sigh