I dunno Tom, why don't you tell us?
If you do decide to tell us, please keep it factual, no innuendo, no passive aggressive BS, no rumour. Just facts thanks (not "alternative facts" but ACTUAL FACTS).
From Ginger Sugerman: More about my husbands passing.
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If you do decide to tell us, please keep it factual, no innuendo, no passive aggressive BS, no rumour. Just facts thanks (not "alternative facts" but ACTUAL FACTS).
XenuSpaceCooties
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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR UNDERSTANDING.!!!! Love and hugs to you
XenuSpaceCooties
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Thank you Jim. Yes I love him very much!! I am glad he is out of pain and suffering now. :::hugs:::Ginger I appreciate you sharing your experience and perspective. I sense that you are telling the truth. I can also tell that you genuinely cared for and loved Arnie. This is a terrible tragedy.
I hope you recover well as time passes.
XenuSpaceCooties
Patron
I agree Emma and thanks for backing me up as you have done !!! It mean a lot to me
uncover
Gold Meritorious Patron
I don't know how much money was under consideration, but I don't think that it was so much that there was a written plan necessary, within 72 hours. Written plans for every sh*t are typically for Scientology and are called CSW (Completed Staff Work):
The same applies to a target within a given time frame, typical for Scientology:
BTW, if someone would demand from me such a written plan, (s)he would get a similar answer: "My plan is that you sue me. The reason is, that when I have to waste my time for unnecessary paperwork then the best is when I will do it at the court. That is the typical place for such stuff."
Now let's see:
Do you remember what you promised at your marriage ? Exactly, "Till death does part us." Not a judge, the death... Now, did he lend a hand to Mr. Death by shooting at you (and later at himself) ? Did he have already a gun ? If yes, then he was prepared for a divorce without a court....
No, even in a heated discussion I mean everything exactly the way I say it - as you can see in my explanations above. BTW, I have never been a political correct sycophant, unlike some poopers.
No, I am far away from being perfect, but it is not necessary to be perfect for this...
FIY, men are different than women. For example I have observed that men are like dogs. If two dogs are fighting and one lays on his back, the other dog stops fighting. If two men are fighting, as soon as one of them has the cognition, that the other could be stronger he pays the next beer at the bar and peace comes back. If two women are fighting, the fight is more brutal and lasts much longer.
What can we learn from that ? Men basically want their peace, but women always want an immediate solution for what actually crosses their mind. Here is a typical example:
Is "sending a couple more emails" "staying away from each other" ? IMHO, no - it is more the effort for "an immediate solution for what actually crosses the mind". Naturally this nagging efforts lead to conflicts and since men primarily want their peace they look for a solution to remove the disturbing factors from their life - sometimes by leaving the battlefield, sometimes by applying force....
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Magoo
Gold Meritorious Patron
Good Gawd....having been Arnie's friend for 30 years...and known him well for the last 18...
One thing we both agreed upon was THE WORST of $cientology was watching people fall into
the Ex vs Ex, or Critic vs Critic...taking ALL of the attention off of "Hubbard, "dave" or $cientology".
The only reason Ginger is telling HER side of it is some knuckleheads began accusing her of
Totally insane, false things. I was there and saw the proof. I called up one of the knuckleheads as
She had written lie after lie. She continued, with Ginger giving her fact after fact. Finally, when backed
Into a corner....with all of her "Proof" shown to be false....she yelled at Ginger, on the phone:
"WELL IF ARNIE HAD NOT MARRIED YOU, HE'D BE ALIVE TODAY".
What bullshit!!
Arnie is dead today due to
1) SEVERE PAIN
2) OXYCODONE
3) PARANOIA CAUSED BY $CIENTOLOGY
and
4) A GUN.
He is not dead due to Ginger, and he would hate people putting all this attention on him.
Best to you all
Tory/Magoo
One thing we both agreed upon was THE WORST of $cientology was watching people fall into
the Ex vs Ex, or Critic vs Critic...taking ALL of the attention off of "Hubbard, "dave" or $cientology".
The only reason Ginger is telling HER side of it is some knuckleheads began accusing her of
Totally insane, false things. I was there and saw the proof. I called up one of the knuckleheads as
She had written lie after lie. She continued, with Ginger giving her fact after fact. Finally, when backed
Into a corner....with all of her "Proof" shown to be false....she yelled at Ginger, on the phone:
"WELL IF ARNIE HAD NOT MARRIED YOU, HE'D BE ALIVE TODAY".
What bullshit!!
Arnie is dead today due to
1) SEVERE PAIN
2) OXYCODONE
3) PARANOIA CAUSED BY $CIENTOLOGY
and
4) A GUN.
He is not dead due to Ginger, and he would hate people putting all this attention on him.
Best to you all
Tory/Magoo
Jim Dandy
Patron with Honors
Hey uncover I had a realization:
You're both a dick AND an asshole. Which means you can actually go fuck yourself!
So do that.
XenuSpaceCooties
Patron
I won't even dignify this with an answer.
XenuSpaceCooties
Patron
Couldn't have said it better myself....and THANK YOU !!!Hey uncover I had a realization:
You're both a dick AND an asshole. Which means you can actually go fuck yourself!
So do that.
George Layton
Silver Meritorious Patron
Ginger writes above: "I agree it's sad. But after certain people spreading I murdered him, poisoned him etc. The truth needed to come out."
I can't know, but I can make an educated guess (from an education I have gotten here, from Mike Rinder's site, from Tony's site, etc.) that scientology is involved in that and have not stop their attacks. Some folks may be doing fine now but this is still happening. scientology may not be the root cause but there is what looks to be an ongoing project feeding off of and adding to what has already happened. If it is scientology that are feeding these lies they should not get any kind of pass because they were not involved in ALL of the issues leading up to these past incidents. Any ill will toward Ginger here or elsewhere is an added bonus for these people.
IWantOffThisTrain
Eternal Optimist
Again, if you think that played a role in his death tell the police! His suicide is explainable and not every action one takes prior to killing themselves can or should be attributed the reason they made that choice. Even IF he was concerned that a family member had a gun that doesn't change the simple fact he attempted to kill his wife and then took his own life.
What are you trying to accomplish with your comments? Do you want Mrs. Lerma to feel guilty? I can tell you from my experience, she probably does feel guilty, ANYONE whose spouse kills themselves does. The guilt and mindfuck we put on ourselves is far worse than you can imagine. We wonder what we could have said or done to help them, we run thru the "if I only" senarios until we begin to think we really could have stopped it, when the simple truth is if someone is to the point where they feel taking their life is the only way out NOTHING will stop them.
I hope you never have to live with that kind of self-imposed guilt. I hope you never have people questioning every action your spouse made or how you conduct your private life. Its hard enough to wrap you head around what happened as it is and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Try to have compassion and empathy for Ginger instead of thinking there is some nefarious plot that you have to expose.
TheSneakster
More Skeptical Than You
Because you, Tom Padgett - his very good friend and confidante, as you keep telling everyone - successfully persuaded Arnie Lerma that his life was in immediate danger from David "Darth Midget" Miscavige and Co$ OSA. So he armed himself.
You also used your extreme Undue Influence on Arnie to persuade him that his wife, Ginger Sugerman, was a party to this non-existent OSA murder plot. The rest is now tragic history.
Since you failed to get your desired product of Ms. Sugerman's death, you continue with this asinine PR campaign against her. You, sir, are an evil, psychotic sociopath and may God help you, because noone else can.
Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
ex-Sea Org Member and declared SP
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Clay Pigeon
Gold Meritorious Patron
I think there are zealots in CoS who do think it an accomplishment and others with a more humane attitude
but...
It's an accomplishment or not to persons...
scientology is not an entity per se
XenuSpaceCooties
Patron
First off Arnie has no calls in his call history on his cell phone to a Clearwater phone number. Arnie didn't need to inquire or obtain a weapon he had three of his own. I know what your doing here and it isn't going to work. Again, please do tell the entire truth, not some innuendo that leaves a big fat mystery for all.
XenuSpaceCooties
Patron
What in-law ? Both my parents are deceased. Leaving no in-laws.
Ginger, I wouldn't bother even responding to this.
Padgett is despicable. I've already banned him (at least once) and to stop him harassing you I will ban him again.
Padgett!XenuSpaceCooties
Patron
Thank you very much !Ginger, I wouldn't bother even responding to this.
Padgett is despicable. I've already banned him (at least once) and to stop him harassing you I will ban him again.
