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OK.Read the rest of Ron's Affirmations. He also wanted to control people and, basically, to be worshiped as a god. Getting worshiped requires a lot of work, apparently.
I knew there was a massive ego involved in it all.
OK.Read the rest of Ron's Affirmations. He also wanted to control people and, basically, to be worshiped as a god. Getting worshiped requires a lot of work, apparently.
Oh no he is not alone to hide money form the internal revenue service reach...Lots of money was made and it was certainly kept from the IRS (he's not alone there!) I still think there's easier ways to make money, if that is your true goal.
RE Is one of the very few who fooled people in teaching him very high standard of ethics and integrity, as well as 3rd dynamic ethical standards while being so dishonest, fraudulent, criminal and doing the very opposite of what he thought..Oh no he is not alone to hide money form the internal revenue service reach...
BUT....
Is one of the very few who fooled pwople in teaching him very high standard of ethics and integrity, as well as 3rd dynamic ethical standards while being so dishonnest, fraudulent, criminal and doing the very oppsite of what he thought..
Thus, it speaks , about another fact : Genuineness and honnesty. (total lack of it)
Thus, one can ask: Oh well, what's next in terms of lies and fraudulent scam????
p.s. As for best way to make money..I would too say there's easier and HONNEST way to make money WITH people (sharing) instead of OUT of people (exploiting)
One of this way coudl be writting sci-fi books , selling them, instead of trying to make those sci-fi stories into spiritual grades to reach that will be sold them for hundred of thousands of dollars for secret truth of the universe...
It all happened in the UK also. They dunked people in the contaminated Saint Hill pond with all that funky swan and duck poop.You guys in the US experienced so much of the insane goings on than we did in the the UK. Bits filtered through, but many of us only realized how bad it was in the US after books were written and people interviewed on TV. UK SO - long hours, pressure, hard work, little time to spend with the children (I always felt sorry for the SO children), living on beans and rice and getting dunked in the lake or with a bucket of water and ending up on the RPF, seemed really tough. But I realized long ago,the UK was a walk in the park compared to what was happening elsewhere. You guys know so much of the really tough stuff and I am sure your understanding of that has helped many others discuss their tough times with people who really understand what they went through.
But if your true most deeply personal goal is to dominate people then money becomes a side benefit and all the revisionist Theosophical blah blah is bait and Hubbard cloning. For exes to promote the residuals is like former communists disagreeing with the politburo but appreciating that the gulags instilled them with a useful work ethic.Yes, possibly a naive view. Lots of money was made and it was certainly kept from the IRS (he's not alone there!) I still think there's easier ways to make money, if that is your true goal.
Actually, I'd like to point the fact that this chat with you about Ron and $cientology is very positive, fruitful and open to criticism which is rarely seen here with true believers. This is very much appreciated (and welcome for my part).OK.
I knew there was a massive ego involved in it all.
In the Sea Org at the time, I didn't understand all of Hubbard's rational for putting out "The Way to Happiness" but my interpretation was that it was a PR move to soften the public's bad opinion following the 1977 FBI raids and court cases and to serve as the camel's nose to get inside the tents of public schools and other organizations. I never looked upon it as a purely altruistic effort without any political motivations. In retrospect I was pretty close to the mark but my point is that Scientologists are fully aware that it is part of the overall PR safepointing program. If they took it seriously then Sea Org members would have much better cared for teeth.First time I read a quick history of your passage in $cientology - thank you!
The way to happiness was a sort of wake-up for me as to realize $cientology could be so stupid.
My mom , like almost all moms in a developped country, already taught us to brush teeth, to bathe each night and not to lie and so on...
Seriously, I took it as an insult to human intelligence and competence in raising children and teaching them the very core basics in social life.
Hi BlueboyIn the Sea Org at the time, I didn't understand all of
's rational for putting out "The Way to Happiness" but my interpretation was that it was a PR move to soften the public's bad opinion following the 1977 FBI raids and court cases and to serve as the camel's nose to get inside the tents of public schools and other organizations. I never looked upon it as a purely altruistic effort without any political motivations. In retrospect I was pretty close to the mark but my point is that Scientologists are fully aware that it is part of the overall PR safepointing program. If they took it seriously then Sea Org members would have much better cared for teeth.
Thank you.Actually, I'd like to point the fact that this chat with you about Ron and $cientology is very positive, fruitful and open to criticism which is rarely seen here with true believers. This is very much appreciated (and welcome for my part).
One very basic thing I've learned in my life while persuing my serach for truth, freedom and spiritual enlightement is this:
Keep away of disonnest pseudo-masters ego-driven in search of praise and admiration.
A true spiritual enlightener will at least have succeded in
taming his own ego (no need for praise and to be worshipped)
displaying true compassion and human suffering roots understanding
thus will display humbleness in his daily behavior and needs.. will only look to meet his basic needs...(no mony piling)
Only then, you may have a person who may turn on the lights on your path..then it's up to you to find your truth topward the light...
My opinion, based on my findings is
LRH
wanted to be the light and the path....
and only had been the darkness in a wrong path...the ego driven path of his church of status and power.
It's a sound and proven strategy. We are so awash in this stuff that it has become a fourth branch of government. We can't be surprised that they do this but you would think that people should know better. Scientology was a bit advanced in their adoption of this strategy in relation to many groups today but this was a well established communist tactic and he was fond of studying other totalitarian strategies.Hi Blueboy
Your impression was quite good since it has been reported as a pr thing by a veteran..actually I don't recall who told that...but perhaps some folks recall it. (there is a foundation attached to it..same as many huge corps do in these days...a concept + a foundation to build a social humanitarian \ philantropic image in order to build recognition into the communities)
Hum..wasn't it intented for underdeveloped regions like in Africa ???
Isn't it the height of cynicism, to promote the importance of teeth brushing, personnal hygiene and so on, while you deny acces to toothpaste and bodysoap andclothes washing services to yoru slaves in order to keep them in a lack of basic dignity in your staff rank ????
This is the height of cynicism and cruelty!
At one time he qualified.I very much enjoyed learning this side of you Veda. It sounds like you might qualify for a Founding Squirrel Certificate.
Actually most exes admit they were ''wining'' from basic courses and stuff aside the bridge and some processes.Yes I understand. If we view something as being completely bad and of no value or benefit to self or anyone involved and only evolved as a totally connived rip off from a power hungry individual, then anything said in its favour is unacceptable.
You guys in the US experienced so much of the insane goings on than we did in the the UK. Bits filtered through, but many of us only realized how bad it was in the US after books were written and people interviewed on TV. UK SO - long hours, pressure, hard work, little time to spend with the children (I always felt sorry for the SO children), living on beans and rice and getting dunked in the lake or with a bucket of water and ending up on the RPF, seemed really tough. But I realized long ago,the UK was a walk in the park compared to what was happening elsewhere. You guys know so much of the really tough stuff and I am sure your understanding of that has helped many others discuss their tough times with people who really understand what they went through.
Took me about 24 hours to decide to resign.It can be quite interesting to read the opinions of others regarding the cult, life, death and the 'universal picture' ... but that's all they are (unless something more is provided) and you seem to have made quite a lot of (negative?) assumptions about the people around here.
Anyway, I expect your intentions are good ... so, thanks for the lecture and welcome to ESMB.
PS It took me about 3 minutes to 'get over' scientology ... it was the loss of my family that almost broke me, but I do not see myself as a victim (thank you). I see myself as a once gullible (but very young) silly arse that got involved in a mad cult ... who then got out and went on to live a very happy and fulfilled life.
I guess LRH did have money but we never heard he was spending lavishly on luxuries for himself? Would that be correct? We sort of heard he had a motor bike or something. If that is truly how it was, perhaps money was not a priority, do you think?
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/interviews/mayo.htmHe told me he was obsessed by "an insatiable lust for power and money". He said it very emphatically. He thought it wasn't possible to get enough. He didn't say it as if it was a fault, just his frustration that he couldn't get enough. -- David Mayo, Snr C/S Int, LRH's auditor
OK.
I knew there was a massive ego involved in it all.
You could call him a Sordid Source.You are not giving Dr. Hubbard enough credit. He was far more than a mere egotist.
He was a full-blown megalomaniacally sociopathic sadist.
As captain of the ship, all he left behind him was a miserable wake of human suffering, loss and destruction.
If you still feel honor bound (to "never desert a comrade in need"), you may now rise up out of your chair and stand facing and manically applauding the wall-photo of the severely mentally ill man in the naval costume.
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