Well, if they actually operate according to this policy, then that seems laudable to me.The Independent Reformed Church of Scientology has issued a Policy Statement.
https://scientologyreformed.org/news/f/policy-statement
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Policy statement
May 11, 2019|ESTABLISHMENT, POLICY
Today we posted an IRCS policy statement which we feel strongly about.
In addition to it being a strong communication on what this organization is about, it also differentiates us from the Church of Scientology and clearly lays out our principles, our beliefs and our policy.
OUR POLICY
We are creating an organization that delivers Real Scientology. It is a safe place/group to be part of.
We do not discriminate and never use the secrets of a PC for punishment or personal gain. We do not attack, discredit or harass parishioners, non-Scientologists, critics or those still with the Church of Scientology as we follow and practice LRH’s philosophy of clean hands and the golden rule.
We work for freedom of speech and do not censor or restrict a parishioner’s free and open inquiry in all matters and respects their right to speak, write, listen, challenge, and learn. The Independent Reformed Church of Scientology believes that what is true for you is true for you – and expects that a parishioner studies broadly on any and all subjects so as to increase knowledge, responsibility and control in life.
We are not endeavoring to open a mental institution and our services are not a substitute for competent medical treatment when it is actually needed.
We do not interfere with the personal lives and relationships of our public because we believe man is basically good and is capable of making ethical decisions on his own determinism.
We do reserve the right to refuse service to those who promulgate destruction or engage in activity contrary to the principles of our organization and Standard Technology of Scientology.
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Does it? They say they aim to deliver 'Real Scientology'. The original scientology signally failed to deliver the high-flown promises it made, and if they are set to offer the same worthless 'services' to their 'customers', I don't see anything laudable in that.Well, if they actually operate according to this policy, then that seems laudable to me.
IRS Select Check now shows the Independent Reformed Church of Scientology has obtained 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status in the U.S.
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In regard of all what sorted out in the public area about $cientology doctrine of LRH...and the religious scam I am surprised the IRS granted it.
Thank comm i\c for yor impressions
I have problem with the status of "charitable"
Where is the charity when it is obvious they are selling courses and services which will consist of perisuing years of self ecorcism. COS didn't qualified on this specific point in many countries.
Also, the religious scam has been long demonstrated in LRH's own words. They don't hold and rituals in the community , neither any ministry. Thus I am very surprised.
I think these reformist guys represent the more decent version of indies practitionners since it seems to me they sincerely believe they will help people and save the planet. Most of them carry a good reputation among indies.
The problem is $cientology and it's founder deeds and admitted evil intents.
Not that I wish them bad, ( it's a better place To land when leaving COS than in the NewRon no1 TOP insanity scam) but this was a first test on IRS and COS...Now we know it's going to nowhere ...at this time.
Yes . . . and the "spell" is the web of lies that Hubbard told and used to entrap folks. And, to be precise, the lies are not all technical or the result of fraudulent "research"; but instead were deliberately spun to TRAP members inside the cult.Well, I am very curious how this plays out.
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And as history shows, once they leave CoS, even if they join an independent scientology organization, most of the pressure is gone and thus most will deprogram themselves over time, cast off the spell, and identify no longer as scientologists at all.
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Example, that Scientology is THE ONLY way out of the trap;
Well, it depends on how they want to deliver it. If it's the same fleece-and-declare type approach as the CoS, then I wouldn't support it. But if they are simply auditing people for a reasonable hourly rate, and training them in return for clearly-stated course-fees (i.e., no hidden compulsory IAS donations, Idle Morgue donations, etc), then I don't see a problem with it.Does it? They say they aim to deliver 'Real Scientology'. The original scientology signally failed to deliver the high-flown promises it made, and if they are set to offer the same worthless 'services' to their 'customers', I don't see anything laudable in that.
You are either being deliberately nasty with your trolling and distortions of what I've actually posted, or you are behaving as an imbecile unable to understand what is written.Give it a rest Roger, there is no 'trap'.
Please stop adding your personal paranoia to ESMB while trying to promote your version of scientology, most of us had quite enough of that in the cofs.
You are either being deliberately nasty with your trolling and distortions of what I've actually posted, or you are behaving as an imbecile unable to understand what is written.
I wrote what you are citing is an example of the cult's LIES . . . to wit:
Yes . . . and the "spell" is the web of lies that Hubbard told and used to entrap folks. And, to be precise, the lies are not all technical or the result of fraudulent "research"; but instead were deliberately spun to TRAP members inside the cult.Example, that Scientology is THE ONLY way out of the trap; that is is ALL BAD and dangerous out there with the "WOGS"; that Scientologists are the most ethical group on the planet . . . etc., etc.All lies!
I think the main problem with the auditing is not so much the service being delivered -- although generally it's not that good -- but the packaging. Namely that the customer is encouraged to buy into (pun wasn't intended but it sure fits) the whole Hubbard worldview with all its huge lies and false promises. I'm mainly talking about lower-level auditing here, not upper-level stuff that of necessity gets deeply into Hubbard's worldview.Well, it depends on how they want to deliver it. If it's the same fleece-and-declare type approach as the CoS, then I wouldn't support it. But if they are simply auditing people for a reasonable hourly rate, and training them in return for clearly-stated course-fees (i.e., no hidden compulsory IAS donations, Idle Morgue donations, etc), then I don't see a problem with it.
Apart from the possible benefits of unburdening oneself to a sympathetic listener, I fail to see that scientology auditing has got much to offer beyond that, which is in direct contrast to the fantastic claims they make about each step on the 'Bridge to Total Freedom'. What a laugh!Well, it depends on how they want to deliver it. If it's the same fleece-and-declare type approach as the CoS, then I wouldn't support it. But if they are simply auditing people for a reasonable hourly rate, and training them in return for clearly-stated course-fees (i.e., no hidden compulsory IAS donations, Idle Morgue donations, etc), then I don't see a problem with it.
Plenty of organisations offer spiritual services that deliver benefits but don't live up to their stated aspirations: e.g. transcendental meditation promises enlightenment (eventually) if you use their meditation technique for six lifetimes. I don't think there's anything wrong with offering auditing as life-repair type thing, and stating that they ASPIRE to get you to stable exteriorisation, as long as they are more-or-less honest about the likelihood of achieving that (i.e., stating that it is aspirational, but they can't guarantee it).
I don't know why people go so sour-faced about every organisation that offers spirituality services, after they leave Scientology. The key is whether their business model is fleece-and-run, or whether they are actually trying to help people.
I think the main problem with the auditing is not so much the service being delivered -- although generally it's not that good -- but the packaging. Namely that the customer is encouraged to buy into (pun wasn't intended but it sure fits) the whole Hubbard worldview with all its huge lies and false promises. I'm mainly talking about lower-level auditing here, not upper-level stuff that of necessity gets deeply into Hubbard's worldview.
Scn training, unless very superficial, cannot avoid this false universe.
The staff may well be people of good will (as many of us were/are), but it's certainly not a worldview of good will.
Paul
I see Jonathan Burke did his Academy Levels in the CofS in 1988 (see http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/jonathan-burke.html). I know he's been auditing in the Indie field for years. There's a 2-hour audio interview with him here that I have no intention of listening to. Assuming he's running this from his home, the additional overhead costs are not that great, ignoring any staff pay.Once they have used up their own money it will fold, I'd put money on it.