a) What did LRH discover?
b) Did it? Conflicts with a lot of other data out there on the subject. Perhaps you have some specifics that would help us understand how you came to that conclusion?
[In advance - I don't know how these quote thingies work here, so apologies if this doesn't show up as your reply to mine did.]
I respect any intelligent thought and opinion. Please allow me to make it clear that I oppose the Cos in its current and probably any future form that is not based on an entirely free-market competitive model. I do not oppose Scn philosophy (I support it), but my intent is not to convert anyone or to interfere with anyone's activities as long as these do not threaten or injure my activities. In keeping with my perception and use of Scn I encourage anyone's independent thought and desires for a better life.
Hubbard defined the ARC triangle I mentioned. Affinity, Reality, Communication. Everyone has a level of affinity, a reality, and is able to communicate. All three taken together constitute Understanding. That I know, neither psych nor media defined this.
Are you referring to 'mental' recordings? If so, whats your point exactly. I too can run this sort of recall. Probably why Dianetics appealed so much to me when I read it. Its simply recalling something from the past, and delving into deeply, through use of perceptions. Like a memory on steriods.
If memory on steroids can cause emotional upsets in the present that are hard for an individual to control, wouldn't it be better to resolve that? Apparently, just wishing it away doesn't work, but reviewing an entire chain of unpleasant past events will discharge it.
This I find hard to believe, sorry. And I'll tell you why. Is this guy/gal still pushing you around? Is he still exterior, and niggling away at you, or using his intention to move you? If not, why not? How long did he do it? How do you know he did it? How do you know it wasn't a natural reaction to something that he has claimed credit for?
I've seen other guys and girls who can use their intention, politely or not. It isn't an exclusive to Scns. But I'd never felt intention as strong as this one OT's. (It was a one-time one-second event, btw - I don't have ghosts following me around pushing me into walls. Your humor, even if pointed at me, is appreciated as funny.)
I have no problem with the concept of past life recall. But this is still a bit hard to prove, isn't it? How do you know its not dream recall? I don't mean to invalidate, but there are usually more than one possible explanations.
I agree there are often more than one possible explanations, and finding the right ones are a big win. Past life recall probably isn't "provable". "Proof" can always be challenged. Leibnitz, for example, a "noted" German "philosopher" challenged that matter was merely a figment of imagination, and could not be "proven" to exist. (I almost took out my former college roommate over that one, to "prove" to him that matter existed.
) A few years later, he was the guy that intro'ed me to Scn.
Hubbard came along into that degredation of thought and affirmed that one's own rightness is senior. What a man knows to be true, is true.
One word for you ART - Xenu.
Again, your wit is appreciated.
Ok, a few more words
First of all, the Church lies about its beliefs. Thats more immoral than weird. But the belief is wierd. And yes many groups have weird beliefs. And why try and compare it anyway. What are you trying to achieve by doing that?
Oh, I am NOT supporting the CoS!! Those
[censored] have lied to me, cost me time, and obstructed my freedoms in a big way!! And the CoS conduct in my view is doubly outrageous and in fact criminal. I'm skeptical about a lot of ex-Scns in the FZ, too, but at least in the FZ I have a choice.
What does Scientology have to do with personal responsibility. Either a person is or isn't responsible. I have not known Scientology to make someone MORE responsible. I have known LIFE to make someone more responsible.
However, on observation - has Scientology succeeded? Is it flourishing and prospering? Is the application of its tech really changing the world as we know it? Look and decide for yourself.
I think you know my answer.
Neo
Neo, I agree with you. To me, your willigness to talk and even consider viewpoints you are highly skeptical about is responsible behavior. The idea is that an individual through the philosophy of Scn can further develop his innate responsibility. But with all due respect, responsibility is a darn big subject. One can argue that responsible men succeed more frequently, because others recognize and reward responsible qualities. But then you'll get someone saying that success is wealth and wealthy men are crooks.
I hope I've succeeded in being polite and of some interest. The most responsible thing I can say is that you're a responsible man able to tell what is true and what is false on your own. (Like a past life, you are able to identify the notion of responsibility, but
can you "prove" responsibility exists? Is it merely a "belief" that man is basically good?)
Your opposition to the CoS coincides in many respects with my opposition to the CoS, and I don't want to blunt your opposition to the CoS. But I can't sit by comfortably and smile when I see anyone make a mistake - I just think the philosophy of Scn has some important truths and shouldn't be thrown entirely away.
Best,
Art