freet43
Patron with Honors
Emma,
I too am appalled at what goes on on those lists at times.... and, actually rarely visit them....
and, I've had the exact same ideas as you were just having...
however, I'll mention a couple of points.
Many of the people that have the time to hang out on those lists are not actively doing much of anything in the FZ and are hardly reflective of the vast majority of Freezoners I know.
It has also not made sense to me why certain senior terminals cannot just use the tech and handle their situations privately, one on one, and not air dirty laundry and personal gripes on public lists.
Nor does it make sense to me why others come forward and take sides and blah blah on and on - rather than telling them to take it off the list and handle the damn situation.
I have my own observations and perceptions of why it is usually the same folks that get themselves in to those predicaments, but I'll keep my opinions to myself.
Suffice it to say, that none of us are perfect.
Marina
I too am appalled at what goes on on those lists at times.... and, actually rarely visit them....
and, I've had the exact same ideas as you were just having...
however, I'll mention a couple of points.
Many of the people that have the time to hang out on those lists are not actively doing much of anything in the FZ and are hardly reflective of the vast majority of Freezoners I know.
It has also not made sense to me why certain senior terminals cannot just use the tech and handle their situations privately, one on one, and not air dirty laundry and personal gripes on public lists.
Nor does it make sense to me why others come forward and take sides and blah blah on and on - rather than telling them to take it off the list and handle the damn situation.
I have my own observations and perceptions of why it is usually the same folks that get themselves in to those predicaments, but I'll keep my opinions to myself.
Suffice it to say, that none of us are perfect.
Marina
You've made the point better than I did.
Dex, I know you took this very personally and I'm sorry you are upset. I've said to you in the past that out of anyone who still audits Scientology tech I respect you the most. This is still true.
I'm a hot head basically. I knew that if I posted what I posted, when I posted it, I'd most likely piss a lot of people off but at the time I didn't care. I was just so angry and frustrated at what I've seen recently that I had to say something or I was gunna explode. My stress levels are at an all time high right now and I really should take a weeks vacation somewhere.
If I could write my post all over again (which I won't because I don't believe in revisionism) I think I'd say something a bit less polarizing and calmer, but my beliefs would be the same.
I TRULY don't understand how someone like yourself, who openly states that you take bits & pieces of the tech, plus added bits from elsewhere, who doesn't do the Hubbard abuses can call yourself a Scientologist. I also don't understand how you (and others in that group) can continue to allow the most outrageous bullshit to be carried on whilst holding yourselves up to some unachievable (Scn bullshit) standards.
I believe you are just like me. You see some stuff in Scientology that you think works. Well hold on to your hat, coz so do I. I actually like some bits & pieces of Scientology (most likely the bits Hubbard stole but nevertheless my introduction to them was through Scientology). I was a trained Class V auditor in Scientology and also a trained Sup. I was on staff for 8 years and I was pretty good at auditing and suping. I knew my stuff. But I would never hang a Scn FZ shingle up and audit because what I'd be auditing and how I do it could not be called Scientology and I wouldn't want the label anyway.
Per Hubbard himself, a Scientologist is a KSW adherent. If you are not this then don't call yourself one (IMHO).
The reason I got so upset wasn't really because of what Terril wrote about my husband on his yahoo list. I was because I saw so much natter and blame & make wrong in just a page of posts that i was flabbergasted. Here I was on a yahoo list of people who claim to be Scientologists and I didn't see ANY Scientology being used. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing but it did make me mad.
I admit my initial reaction was "These guys are no better because they've left Scientology or because they are still in Scientology, yet we get constant "success stories" and Pollyanna type reviews coming out of the FZ that it all looked to me like a pack of PR lies".
On my board in the last week I've seen covert operations to "out" a woman (twice) by senior personal in your Freezone. The woman outed (also a senoir member of your freezone) has been acting crazy and telling lies about me on someone else's blog to garner sympathy. Then I see all manner of personal & private information being posted about me and others that was likely unethical and sensitive on the Yahoo list and I think "Fuck, these folk are insane".
But what it really is, is that you aren't insane, you are JUST LIKE EVERYBODY else. Some of you are smart & kind and ethical and some of you are mean & vindictive and batshit crazy, but if you all call yourselves FZ Scientologists then you are all coming under the one umbrella and it gives the impression that the whole group is crazy in times like these.
This has probably come across as garbled and jumbled but I'm not about to rewrite it. I hope I've communicated what I wanted to say. If not I'll try again in another post.