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Scientology Breeds Fanaticism

I was going through a closet today and found a folder with various Scientology issues in it. I briefly scanned through it. Doing so made me realize, once again, just how severe the Scientology indoctrination is. There is an underlying viewpoint instilled in members that slants their reality, conditions their reasoning ability, and allows them to commit harm to others. What is this viewpoint?

It is the viewpoint that, "we are the last free beings, we are the ONLY group able to salvage people, we are the ONLY group with a workable tech able to solve the problems of society, and we are on a live-or-die-in-the-attempt mission to bring this wonderful LRH tech to every man, woman and child on planet Earth".

Yes, it is an insane view. I have found that any group that considers itself SUPERIOR to everybody else, philosophically, ideologically or religiously, also practices the maxim: The ends justify the means. In other words, these sort of people will stoop to behavior few others will, because they BELIEVE they are the recipients and holders of some GREAT TRUTH! I have seen it over and over. Church of Scientology members routinely get to a point, rather quickly due to constant indoctrination of KSW-related materials, where he or she truly believes that only his or her group is "right". Also, Hubbard endlessly puts out the view that you will end up a "cinder", "in oblivion", "tortured forever", "dying a thousand horrible deaths" if you fail to get Scn applied to yourself. The message is relentless. Hubbard repeatedly brings up how little time there is, how nasty and bad the enemy is, and that unless "we" do the job NOW, we won't ever get another chance! Constant threats of doom and gloom (as with most religions).

There are many LRH quotes, which members read and study routinely, which drive this attitude home. Here are a few. I will add more every once in awhile as there are MANY.

"I expect and need your help to carry out the broad mission of de-contaminating this area of the universe". (An Open Letter To All Clears)

"Will you take advantage of the carefully marked trail upward? I hope you do, my friends. For if you don't, it will be very lonely in the sky". (LRH ED 347 INT, RJ 37)

"A handful of us are working our guts out to beat Deadline Earth. On us alone depends whether your kid will ever see sixteen or your people will ever make it at all. A few of us see the world has got a chance if we don't dawdle along the way. Our chance is a thin chance at best. We are working as hard as we can in Scientology. And, the only slim chance this planet has rests on a few slim shoulders, overworked, underpaid and fought - the Scientologist. Later on, if we make it, what will be your answer to this question? Did you help?" ("Five Years", 1967, Auditor Mag #9)

"In this time and place - for possibly just a little while, we have this chance. To go free and to make it. Planets and cultures are frail things. They do not endure. I strongly advise you work hard at it - don't waste this brief breath in eternity." (LRH ED 342 INT, RJ 35)

"I have been researching upper OT levels, and I can tell you this very plainly: If Scn doesn't make it worldwide you've had it - yes, I mean you. One is not working for just this life. He is working for any future life at all". (HCO PL 14 March 1982 Financial Irregularities)

"A post in a Scientology Organization isn't a job. It's a trust and a crusade. We're free mean and women - probably the last free men and women on earth. Remember, we'll have to come back to Earth some day no matter what 'happens' to us. If we don't do a good job now we may never get another chance. Yes, I'm sure that's the way it is. So, we have an organization, we have a field we must support, we have a chance. That's more than we had last time night's curtain began to fall on freedom." (HCO PL Your Post)

"We didn't, a long time ago, get in Ethics. We goofed! And the whole race went into the soup where it remains to this day. And, if we are to live in this universe at all we are going to have to get in Ethics and clean it up. Whether that's easy to confront or not is beside the point. The horrid truth is that our fate is FAR more unconfrontable". (HCO PL 20 Oct 67 Conditions, How To Assign)

These are just a random sampling of the type of "fanatic-creating fodder" that Hubbard slips in every chance he can. I could examine each statement, and critique each in various ways, but for now, let the comments fly. The main point for now is that when any person accepts, adopts and comes to BELIEVE this sort of stuff, well, that person's entire outlook becomes FAR different than most other people. The person becomes severe, rigid, uncompromising, working towards goals that make little sense to the rest of humanity, or in other words he or she takes on the color of a FANATIC. Also, once a person actually "thinks" with this sort of scenario, his or her behavior changes markedly. The GOAL, the TRUST, the CRUSADE become more important than anything else, and ANYTHING that slows or interferes with realizing the GOAL (clearing the planet) becomes BAD - to be attacked, and destroyed. That is why the Church can comfortable, without any guilt or remorse, frame an innocent person in a crime, which she didn't commit (Paulette Copper). That is why the Church can lie, over and over, because their "goal" is lofty and pure (in their twisted, distorted mentalities). These type of people constantly think with and apply the idea, "the ends justify the means". Anything done to win is acceptable. ANYTHING! Limitations, restrictions and therefore, decency, do NOT exist within the realm of brutal Scientology indoctrination.

For some reason mentally ill people seem to have this inherent need to believe that not only does the world need saving, but they are the only ones who know how to save it. In Ron's case he kicked it up a notch from Mentally Ill to Bat Shit Crazy with a capital 'B'
 

scooter

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thanks for bumping this, Gaddie - this was one of my favourite OPs.:thumbsup:

If any newbie wants to see the toxic cult mindgames in their naked fury, this would be a good place to start.:yes:
 

Gadfly

Crusader
I just figured out how to upload the essay and link to it! :duh:

You can view and/or download the essay right here:
 

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Gadfly

Crusader
Good stuff Gadfly. Thank you. :goodjob:

I am glad that you found it useful.

As I see it, a great amount of the nuttiness of Scientology and Scientologsts stems DIRECTLY from the strict, over-the-top belief system. Without grasping what they believe and how they believe, one will not ever be able to grasp their "behaviors".

When it comes to ideologues, the crazy behvaiors are rooted in the crazy beliefs. :yes:

That is surely the case with Scientology.
 

onthepes

Patron with Honors
I just figured out how to upload the essay and link to it! :duh:

You can view and/or download the essay right here:

Thanks for this Gadfly. I was particularly stunned reading this again:


"Dilettante = One who interests himself in an art or science merely as a pastime and without serious study.

In an org, this manifests itself with 'people should live a little.' 'One needs a rest from Scientology.' 'One should do something else, too'. All that kind of jazz.

Ask what they do the other nights. Bowling. Horse racing.

Boy, you better maul the case folders of staff. You have a suppressive aboard. Maybe six.

Scientology, that saves lives, is a modern miracle, is being compared to bowling. Get it?

That org or portion just isn't serious. Scientology is an idle club to it, an old lady's sewing circle.”

This is so poignant. Do you mind if I cry? I used to walk around thinking Scientology was the only way. That everyone else was unaware. I read this stuff again in a new time-frame and just want to gag or blow my brains out. I do want to thank you though. Evil has to be confronted, so the truth gives you better understanding and then a certain peace. But this stuff is tough to confront I must say.

I was glad to see excerpts from "Safeguarding Technology". For some reason, that is the one I hate vehemently. LRH was a toxic man.

The reason this is so relevant is that for the past year I have received emails and text messages from people still in Scientology. I have ignored them, which may seem cold, but I just cannot bring myself into a discussion with them about the wonders of Scientology. I won't have any good news for them.

I was very friendly with some public that went into the Org. They were a wonderful family. I loved the couple and their kids. I had been thinking about them as I know they had spent a lot of money in Scientology. I had thought on the lady a lot. Today I got a request from her to be a friend on Facebook. I could pretty much feel it was going to happen. I wonder what she wants. I accepted her friendship request. I am extremely curious. I feel this may be my chance to finally let someone know that I am definitely not part of that culture any more. I hope she isn't, but I find it unlikely. If she is out, I would be ecstatic.

I best get back as I am only half-way through that document. Thanks heaps, Gadfly.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
Thanks for this Gadfly. I was particularly stunned reading this again:

"Dilettante = One who interests himself in an art or science merely as a pastime and without serious study.

In an org, this manifests itself with 'people should live a little.' 'One needs a rest from Scientology.' 'One should do something else, too'. All that kind of jazz.

Ask what they do the other nights. Bowling. Horse racing.

Boy, you better maul the case folders of staff. You have a suppressive aboard. Maybe six.

Scientology, that saves lives, is a modern miracle, is being compared to bowling. Get it?

That org or portion just isn't serious. Scientology is an idle club to it, an old lady's sewing circle.”

This is so poignant. Do you mind if I cry? I used to walk around thinking Scientology was the only way. That everyone else was unaware. I read this stuff again in a new time-frame and just want to gag or blow my brains out. I do want to thank you though. Evil has to be confronted, so the truth gives you better understanding and then a certain peace. But this stuff is tough to confront I must say.

I was glad to see excerpts from "Safeguarding Technology". For some reason, that is the one I hate vehemently. LRH was a toxic man.

The reason this is so relevant is that for the past year I have received emails and text messages from people still in Scientology. I have ignored them, which may seem cold, but I just cannot bring myself into a discussion with them about the wonders of Scientology. I won't have any good news for them.

I was very friendly with some public that went into the Org. They were a wonderful family. I loved the couple and their kids. I had been thinking about them as I know they had spent a lot of money in Scientology. I had thought on the lady a lot. Today I got a request from her to be a friend on Facebook. I could pretty much feel it was going to happen. I wonder what she wants. I accepted her friendship request. I am extremely curious. I feel this may be my chance to finally let someone know that I am definitely not part of that culture any more. I hope she isn't, but I find it unlikely. If she is out, I would be ecstatic.

I best get back as I am only half-way through that document. Thanks heaps, Gadfly.

I am glad that you found some of it useful. You are very welcome!

Yeah, people can be very nice, kind and loving, and THEN they get their heads filled with all sorts of nonsensical BELIEFS. And these beleifs directly affect their behavior.

It can work both ways. One can get "positive beliefs", and exhibit kind, tolerant and compassionate behavior towards others. Or, as in organized KSW-based RTC-run Scientology, one can adopt "negative beliefs" and exhibit arrogant, elitist, know-best, intolerant and harmful behaviors.

Also, one can selectively remove the BAD beliefs of Scientology (of which there are many), keep the "good beliefs" of Scientology, as some FZers do, and exhibit kind & decent behavior. It is all a matter of the "mix". Of course, in the Church of Scientology, the mixture will always be toxic.
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
One of the greatest moments I've ever shared with my wife was she said, out of the blue, to me " KSW. I'm just no longer there. I don't feel that way anymore".

At last, I could stop grinding my teeth over what I had come to know was a cult.
 

phenomanon

Canyon
I am glad that you found it useful.

As I see it, a great amount of the nuttiness of Scientology and Scientologsts stems DIRECTLY from the strict, over-the-top belief system. Without grasping what they believe and how they believe, one will not ever be able to grasp their "behaviors".

When it comes to ideologues, the crazy behvaiors are rooted in the crazy beliefs. :yes:

That is surely the case with Scientology.

I don't remember much about Avatar, but I do recall one question that stands out for me. That question was " What would you have to believe in order to ( act, respond, behave) that way"?
One of my answers to it was what my family member would have to believe in order to disconnect from me. It "blew a lotta charge" offa me.

phenomanon
 

Adam7986

Declared SP
The question remains: how long until they take a truly, overtly extremist approach such a Jonestown or Waco? The question worries me every day because i fear for my Sea Org employed brother and my Scientology family.
 

Markus

Silver Meritorious Patron
I was going through a closet today and found a folder with various Scientology issues in it. I briefly scanned through it. Doing so made me realize, once again, just how severe the Scientology indoctrination is. There is an underlying viewpoint instilled in members that slants their reality, conditions their reasoning ability, and allows them to commit harm to others. What is this viewpoint?

It is the viewpoint that, "we are the last free beings, we are the ONLY group able to salvage people, we are the ONLY group with a workable tech able to solve the problems of society, and we are on a live-or-die-in-the-attempt mission to bring this wonderful LRH tech to every man, woman and child on planet Earth".

Yes, it is an insane view. I have found that any group that considers itself SUPERIOR to everybody else, philosophically, ideologically or religiously, also practices the maxim: The ends justify the means. In other words, these sort of people will stoop to behavior few others will, because they BELIEVE they are the recipients and holders of some GREAT TRUTH! I have seen it over and over. Church of Scientology members routinely get to a point, rather quickly due to constant indoctrination of KSW-related materials, where he or she truly believes that only his or her group is "right". Also, Hubbard endlessly puts out the view that you will end up a "cinder", "in oblivion", "tortured forever", "dying a thousand horrible deaths" if you fail to get Scn applied to yourself. The message is relentless. Hubbard repeatedly brings up how little time there is, how nasty and bad the enemy is, and that unless "we" do the job NOW, we won't ever get another chance! Constant threats of doom and gloom (as with most religions).

There are many LRH quotes, which members read and study routinely, which drive this attitude home. Here are a few. I will add more every once in awhile as there are MANY.

"I expect and need your help to carry out the broad mission of de-contaminating this area of the universe". (An Open Letter To All Clears)

"Will you take advantage of the carefully marked trail upward? I hope you do, my friends. For if you don't, it will be very lonely in the sky". (LRH ED 347 INT, RJ 37)

"A handful of us are working our guts out to beat Deadline Earth. On us alone depends whether your kid will ever see sixteen or your people will ever make it at all. A few of us see the world has got a chance if we don't dawdle along the way. Our chance is a thin chance at best. We are working as hard as we can in Scientology. And, the only slim chance this planet has rests on a few slim shoulders, overworked, underpaid and fought - the Scientologist. Later on, if we make it, what will be your answer to this question? Did you help?" ("Five Years", 1967, Auditor Mag #9)

"In this time and place - for possibly just a little while, we have this chance. To go free and to make it. Planets and cultures are frail things. They do not endure. I strongly advise you work hard at it - don't waste this brief breath in eternity." (LRH ED 342 INT, RJ 35)

"I have been researching upper OT levels, and I can tell you this very plainly: If Scn doesn't make it worldwide you've had it - yes, I mean you. One is not working for just this life. He is working for any future life at all". (HCO PL 14 March 1982 Financial Irregularities)

"A post in a Scientology Organization isn't a job. It's a trust and a crusade. We're free mean and women - probably the last free men and women on earth. Remember, we'll have to come back to Earth some day no matter what 'happens' to us. If we don't do a good job now we may never get another chance. Yes, I'm sure that's the way it is. So, we have an organization, we have a field we must support, we have a chance. That's more than we had last time night's curtain began to fall on freedom." (HCO PL Your Post)

"We didn't, a long time ago, get in Ethics. We goofed! And the whole race went into the soup where it remains to this day. And, if we are to live in this universe at all we are going to have to get in Ethics and clean it up. Whether that's easy to confront or not is beside the point. The horrid truth is that our fate is FAR more unconfrontable". (HCO PL 20 Oct 67 Conditions, How To Assign)

These are just a random sampling of the type of "fanatic-creating fodder" that Hubbard slips in every chance he can. I could examine each statement, and critique each in various ways, but for now, let the comments fly. The main point for now is that when any person accepts, adopts and comes to BELIEVE this sort of stuff, well, that person's entire outlook becomes FAR different than most other people. The person becomes severe, rigid, uncompromising, working towards goals that make little sense to the rest of humanity, or in other words he or she takes on the color of a FANATIC. Also, once a person actually "thinks" with this sort of scenario, his or her behavior changes markedly. The GOAL, the TRUST, the CRUSADE become more important than anything else, and ANYTHING that slows or interferes with realizing the GOAL (clearing the planet) becomes BAD - to be attacked, and destroyed. That is why the Church can comfortably, without any guilt or remorse, frame an innocent person in a crime, which she didn't commit (Paulette Copper). That is why the Church can lie, over and over, because their "goal" is lofty and pure (in their twisted, distorted mentalities). These type of people constantly think with and apply the idea, "the ends justify the means". Anything done to win is acceptable. ANYTHING! Limitations, restrictions and therefore, decency, do NOT exist within the realm of brutal Scientology indoctrination.

Marvellous post Gadfly :thumbsup::clap:

I just find it a little bit unfair to blame only religions. There are and were so many "...isms" where you can find this brutal indoctrination too. Napoleon was able to start a brutal war all over Europe by claiming that he will bring the achievements of the "French Revolution" to every nation. Look what Hitlers Nazism caused to the world. Not to mention communism - Stalin - and kapitalism "you must consume" - no other way of life is accepted.

Love

Markus
 
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Gadfly

Crusader
Marvellous post Gadfly :thumbsup::clap:

I just find it a little bit unfair to blame only religions. There are and were so many "...isms" where you can find this brutal indoctrination too. Napoleon was able to start a brutal war all over Europe by claiming that he will bring the achievements of the "French Revolution" to every nation. Look what Hitlers Nazism caused to the world. Not to mention communism - Stalin - and kapitalism "you must consume" - no other way of life is accepted.

Love

Markus

You are spot-on correct Markus! :thumbsup:

ANY sort of package of beliefs can lead people to behave in nutty ways. IDEOLOGY is an equal-opportunity factor in the continued indiocies of many people, and this embraces religions, politics, philosophies, and even areas of what is called "science".

Changing the attitudes and beliefs of groups of people has always been a major concern of those in power. And, understanding any set of beliefs makes it FAR easier to understand WHY the believers behave as they do.

This has a special meaning and application when trying to understand the subject and behaviors of Scientology and Scientologists.

It really is simple psychology, and understanding how the mind REALLY "works".
 

Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
The question remains: how long until they take a truly, overtly extremist approach such a Jonestown or Waco? The question worries me every day because i fear for my Sea Org employed brother and my Scientology family.

I really do doubt that Scientology would approach such a denouement as its end game.

The essence of Scientology is individual before anyone or anything else. Personal gain, personal power, personal godhood before anything.

Scientologists in general have courage of hack politicians. They are scared to make a stand for anything because they are always afraid that they may have it wrong.

So I don;t see that sort of "ragnarok" in Scientology's future - what I do see if a rabble of lost losers wandering around telling each other what to do.
 

Div6

Crusader
Marvellous post Gadfly :thumbsup::clap:

I just find it a little bit unfair to blame only religions. There are and were so many "...isms" where you can find this brutal indoctrination too. Napoleon was able to start a brutal war all over Europe by claiming that he will bring the achievements of the "French Revolution" to every nation. Look what Hitlers Nazism caused to the world. Not to mention communism - Stalin - and kapitalism "you must consume" - no other way of life is accepted.

Love

Markus


From Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer":

“All mass movements generate in their adherents a readiness to die and a proclivity for united action; all of them, irrespective of the doctrine they preach and the program they project, breed fanaticism, enthusiasm, fervent hope, hatred and intolerance; all of them are capable of releasing a powerful flow of activity in certain departments of life; all of them demand blind faith and singlehearted allegiance.” (Preface)

"When we renounce the self and become part of the compact whole, we not only renounce personal advantage but are also rid of personal responsibility… we find a new freedom –freedom to hate, bully, lie, torture, murder…"
 
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