CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
I got onto this board only recently.
I'm an ex scientologist, just as I'm an ex high school student. I don't put a lot of importance on either statement.
Since I left scientology over thirty years ago, the culture has apparently really degraded. Actually, I hadn't stayed in the loop enough to notice.
Recently (last October) a bunch of old friends go together. 90% of us left scientology over twenty five years ago. One of our friends, who remained in, has a kid, who recently joined the Sea Org. Since the kid's father is an ex Sea Org member, but still "in," I wondered how he could let his son do that.
I also started wondering if I could get some of my friends, who've remained in, to look at alternatives. That's when I came to this board.
i haven't read ARS or Operation Clambake ever.
I've been mesmerized by the stories written on this web site. i really had no idea that it was as bad as it is.
When I got involved with Scientology, it was 1968, and I was 17 years old. When I left it was 1976 and I was 25 years old. In that time I bought a house, made a living in agriculture, started a scientology center, did Clear and the shsbc (not in that order). But for me, it was really a lot like high school. I made lots of friends (who are still my friends), had some fantastic affairs, and went to a lot of movies. The Scientology that most of you guys talk about, I didn't get involved with. It got in the way of my life.
When I did the academy levels and the bc, I left every day at 6. (I told them I worked at nights --lie) And at nights and week ends I went to movies with my girl friend, rock climbing, skiing, the LA County Museum of Art was also a favorite. I have major league fond memories of Tommy's hamburgers, the Brooklyn Bagel Factory, walking down Wilshire Blvd till 4 in the morning, submarine races up by Elysian Park (overlooking Dodger Stadium), Disneyland, and taking my dog on wilderness jaunts.
Like Goldie Hawn said in "Private Benjamin," " I joined a different army, where are the yachts and the condos?"--- in scientologese, I was a dilettante and quite happily so.
I never found a part of me that wanted to be an "on-purpose martinet"
In 1971 at the Berkeley Org (which was run by a friend, who I had gotten into Scientology, Ned Branch), where a new course supe freshly back from Flag pissed my girl friend and me off. We organized the room of about 50 students at lunch break, to drop all of our stats. In two days the new jerk was gone. Promoted upstairs and meter checks for all the course room. Our needles were floating. We couldn't have been the source of the crash.
So what I'm saying is that I come from a reality far distant from yours. I apologize for out reality. You guys have walked through Hell. I just did the Japanese tour of it through your eyes, and will see it much more clearly when I get the photos downloaded.
I am still major league interested in getting some friends OUT.
I'm an ex scientologist, just as I'm an ex high school student. I don't put a lot of importance on either statement.
Since I left scientology over thirty years ago, the culture has apparently really degraded. Actually, I hadn't stayed in the loop enough to notice.
Recently (last October) a bunch of old friends go together. 90% of us left scientology over twenty five years ago. One of our friends, who remained in, has a kid, who recently joined the Sea Org. Since the kid's father is an ex Sea Org member, but still "in," I wondered how he could let his son do that.
I also started wondering if I could get some of my friends, who've remained in, to look at alternatives. That's when I came to this board.
i haven't read ARS or Operation Clambake ever.
I've been mesmerized by the stories written on this web site. i really had no idea that it was as bad as it is.
When I got involved with Scientology, it was 1968, and I was 17 years old. When I left it was 1976 and I was 25 years old. In that time I bought a house, made a living in agriculture, started a scientology center, did Clear and the shsbc (not in that order). But for me, it was really a lot like high school. I made lots of friends (who are still my friends), had some fantastic affairs, and went to a lot of movies. The Scientology that most of you guys talk about, I didn't get involved with. It got in the way of my life.
When I did the academy levels and the bc, I left every day at 6. (I told them I worked at nights --lie) And at nights and week ends I went to movies with my girl friend, rock climbing, skiing, the LA County Museum of Art was also a favorite. I have major league fond memories of Tommy's hamburgers, the Brooklyn Bagel Factory, walking down Wilshire Blvd till 4 in the morning, submarine races up by Elysian Park (overlooking Dodger Stadium), Disneyland, and taking my dog on wilderness jaunts.
Like Goldie Hawn said in "Private Benjamin," " I joined a different army, where are the yachts and the condos?"--- in scientologese, I was a dilettante and quite happily so.
I never found a part of me that wanted to be an "on-purpose martinet"
In 1971 at the Berkeley Org (which was run by a friend, who I had gotten into Scientology, Ned Branch), where a new course supe freshly back from Flag pissed my girl friend and me off. We organized the room of about 50 students at lunch break, to drop all of our stats. In two days the new jerk was gone. Promoted upstairs and meter checks for all the course room. Our needles were floating. We couldn't have been the source of the crash.
So what I'm saying is that I come from a reality far distant from yours. I apologize for out reality. You guys have walked through Hell. I just did the Japanese tour of it through your eyes, and will see it much more clearly when I get the photos downloaded.
I am still major league interested in getting some friends OUT.