Jim Logan Has Published His Magnum Opus

[Terril park]

Originally Posted by rhill

As per Hubbard's writings, a "person connected to suppressives" is "PTS."

As per Hubbard's writings, a "Suppressive Person" is someone engaging in "Suppressive Acts."

As per Hubbard's writing, "Suppressive Acts are defined as actions or omissions undertaken to knowingly suppress, reduce or impede Scientology or Scientologists."

In short, as per Hubbard's writings, someone connected to someone else -- who "suppress[es], reduce[s] or impede[s] Scientology" -- is PTS.

I don't see where in there the "one adversely effected" got to choose whether he is PTS in that scenario.

Hubbard's dogmas lead to the crowding out of any criticism of Hubbard's dogmas, and the PTS/SP doctrine plays a major part in this.

Bring it on and well done for doing so.

I don't and I guess most FZers don't take any notice of
stupid COS policies.

The message of scn is that we can become free.

[Gadfly]

Terril, correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that most "smart" people in the FZ seem to disregard all of the data on "admin SPs". In other words, the "justice" definitions of "SP" and "PTS" are flushed rightfully down the toilet. They forego with the "political" use of "ethics and justice". They forego with the concept of PTS as a "source of trouble" for the organization. The only "source of trouble" that matters is the source of trouble that an "SP" might be for any decent person.

The ONLY importance is if a person is actually under the influence of a living breathing piece-of-shit human being who caves in your space, constantly invalidates you, tries to unmock your creations, aims to not-is you, and generally treats you like total crap. In THAT case, it behooves one to "handle" the asshole or get away and out from under his or her negative influences. That's common sense really. Those people DO exist, but I doubt at the level of 2 1/2 percent that Hubbard claimed.

Funny though, that in Scientology the MAIN person who satisfies the description as a "living breathing piece-of-shit human being who caves in your space, invalidates you and generally treats you like total crap", is David Miscavige (and anyone else in the Sea Org, Staff or public who dramatizes a similar abusive personality).

The SP and PTS data can "make some sense" if it is loosely interpreted in alignment with other existing data on psycopaths and destructive personalities. But, of course, all the crimes and high crimes as regards "helping or hurting Scientology as a movement", that are used as an excuse to "declare" or "expel" a person, should be wholly ignored. THAT aspect of the "data" is total horseshit!

[Zinjifar]

Since there is no such thing as a 'Suppressive Person' as described by Ron, the concept of 'PTS' is multiply ludicrous.

Please read the *first* statement; 'as defined by Ron'. The only reason for the term 'Suppressive Person' is Ron's definition, and, that definition is not only vapid but downright malicious.

Zinj