Run-ins with the dwarf (you know, that a-hole Miscavige)?

[HappyGirl]

Originally Posted by Dulloldfart

I only recall seeing him twice and hearing him once. He audited me - flew ruds or something simple - while on the Academy Levels around 1973. I don't remember anything about it except he was so short he could barely see over the meter shield.

Hahahaha!!!

Originally Posted by Wisened One

I still have a picture of that day. It's one of me next to Juliette Lewis as I got her autograph. Also have some others of the ceremony, etc. I'll post some here if anyone wants to see.

I would love to see pics.

Originally Posted by Carnaubawax

This is a fascinating thread. More please.

!!

Originally Posted by Terril park

For those not aware of this item, check the red vols index for " Fleeting F/N" [in red on white no less]

OMG - Thanks Terril!!! I knew those GAT F/Ns were wrong, but my mind was too far gone by then to figure out why!! Thanks for filling in that hole that has been in my mind since GAT!!!

[Lovinglife625]

The first time I met DM and knew that it was DM was in, I believe, early November 1981 or late October 81.

Since then I have worked with him many times and have seen him scream at, spit on, punch, slap and choke staff. I have told about these in different postings, radio, video, an affidavit, etc. as covered on my blogspot: http://larrybren.blogspot.com/

But back to the first time.

We had just completed the initial Corporate Sortout Planning mission and accordingly I wrote up this huge proposal for the launching of a new mother "church" (CSI) as well as a great deal to go with it such as various contracts with scientology orgs around the world, new trusts, dovetailing it all into the also upcoming stuff like what was to be RTC and CST and more.

The proposal was very involved and included much of what would become the "separation" of "the church's and Hubbard's legal interests. It also involved how organized scientology could be controlled, how Sea Org and other reserves and much more could be managed and controlled, etc.

I wrote the proposal for the CSO mission based on a fortune spent to get legal input from many attorneys and accountants covering the fields of corporate, tax, intellectual property rights, "damages" - type issues and much more (Input from attorneys such as Chris Cobb, Bob Harris, Meade Emory, Leon Misterix, Elwood Rickless, Jacob Arravad, Sherman Lenske, Larry May and many more).

Bottom line is that it was too much for my Mission Ops (Steve Marlowe who then was Special Unit IC) to digest or certainly to explain to any approval points or to coordinate with anyone such as the main WDC members for reserves, etc.

Thus after sending the CSO proposal I was called into Steve Marlowe's office above CMO Pac in LA and there sat Steve and someone I would soon find out was DM.

To make a long story short Steve had me explain the entire thing to DM. On at least a dozen occasions DM would interrupt me and say something like "he's lying" or "he's a fucking liar", etc. I knew the subject cold, knew I was not lying and actually was not really intimated by DM other than knowing he had great authority.

So each time he accused me of lying, I took it up with DM and cleared up his confusions. He had little to no real understanding of legal and had just over the past year failed at trying to work this out himself.

I will leave out details for now but there were hours of questions and challenges from DM until I had handled everything he had questions on (how it could be controlled, how money could be controlled, how it affected Hubbard, etc.).

Finally after repeated hollering at me and seeing that he could not intimidate me and my clearing up all his confusions DM laughed and offered me some of his chewing tobacco (he was chewing tobacco thoughout all that). I said I did not chew and then he hollered at me to take some like it was a threat only in a "humorous" way. So I sat there chewing that stupid tobacco with him as we finished up.

I think DM was surprised that he could not intimidate me. I sensed that the way he "challenged" a person's certainty was through attempted intimidation. While I have seen him later beat/spit on others, he never did that to me. Although I am a believer in non-violence, I think DM knew that if he struck me I would have knocked his teeth out.

(In fact in 1983 I was sent on an "errand" to Denmark for DM and Lyman Spurlock and when I came back I found out that my wife (who had just weeks before had my baby) was "busted" by the likes of Marlowe/DM to "nanny" as she had not found a nanny for our baby. I was furious and demanded a car from my special unit secretary and drove to Int to kick the shit out of Marlowe and DM. Protecting my family I found was an ever bigger urge for me than all my strong non violent inclinations. Well the word got to int that I was coming. When I walked in the door to Marlowe's office (he was now in RTC) he immediately said it was all a misunderstanding, my wife was reinstated into special unit corporate and sort of "sorry". As far as I know that was the closest DM ever got to being beaten up. Anyway, that's a little sideline to my "story" here. I'm actually not proud of it).

Back to the first meeting with DM in Marlowe's office, DM approved the corporate sortout plan and I was cleared to go to Int within 30 minutes to coordinated it with different people on WDC such as Mark Yager, Marc Ingber, Donna Robbinson, etc. I remember being out of that room and hearing Marlowe/DM hollering to someone at Int that they could not wait for me to be sec checked to get an Int Clearance as it all had to be coordinated that night and the first implementation missions fired the next day or so. I heard them say that my "int clearance" was that I knew more of all that corporate than all of CMO combined and there was no one else who could coordinate this.

That indeed was a dubious "distinction".

This began my relationship with DM with much more following, a bit of which is covered in my blogspot and much more of which will be released in the future.

BTW, I have started a "perjury series" about DM and you can find it near the very end of my blogspot. It's fairly boring I think (it bores me) but it's a start.

Anyway, that's my "first time meeting DM" story.

Larry

[Pixie]

Originally Posted by Carnaubawax

Your post Terril is one of the best examples of Scinospeak that I have ever come across. Just for the fun of it, imagine how Ordinary Joe would receive it. To Joe, it comes out like this:

?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????
?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????

'tech dict. def' is just lovely - I love the way it rolls off my tongue.

'tech dict. def'

Mmmm...

Mmmm indeed. Quite ludicrous in fact, and just as we were beginning to deal with tech dic def scilon speak...

Tech dic def....tech dic def... tech dic def...

[KnightVision]

Originally Posted by Terril park

For those not aware of this item, check the red vols index for " Fleeting F/N"
[in red on white no less]

One may then clay demo how the new definition of F/N that precipitated GAT encompasses that definition. Then clay demo how the tech dict. def is wrong.

Those who are supercool super heroes may be able to do this all by thought experiment. [ a little known OT ability]

Here I give an URL to a discussion on this area, that includes excellent input from perhaps the most loved contributor to ESMB, " Bea Kiddo" who grew up in the orgs and became a class VI C/S.

Bea please come back.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=652

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAD28X-JZmE

[Rene Descartes]

Originally Posted by Terril park

For those not aware of this item, check the red vols index for " Fleeting F/N"
[in red on white no less]

Riddle me this mi amigo,

So what generally happens to the PC's indicators on a fleeting F/N?

Rd00

[Wisened One]

Wow, Larry! I'm gonna go check out your blog! (of which I'm subscribed to)....

[grundy]

GAT training at FSO for the original evolution. I was an already flag-trained HPCSC and sup from an SO org. I only remember breifly meeting meeting him.

Then, I was drilled by Guillame Leserve and a number of int execs for a speech I was to give at an event. He was there, didnt say much to me. I wasn't particularly intimidated by anyone and I was polite, they were polite.

Im sure he thought I was an asshole though. Of course, he thought most people were assholes lol

[byte301]

Originally Posted by grundy

GAT training at FSO for the original evolution. I was an already flag-trained HPCSC and sup from an SO org. I only remember breifly meeting meeting him.

Then, I was drilled by Guillame Leserve and a number of int execs for a speech I was to give at an event. He was there, didnt say much to me. I wasn't particularly intimidated by anyone and I was polite, they were polite.

Im sure he thought I was an asshole though. Of course, he thought most people were assholes lol

Kinda like he's the cowboy and everyone else (except his bff Tommy) is an Indian.

[Free to shine]

Thankyou Larry!!!

[NonScio]

Originally Posted by Pixie

I never met him, however I shall never forget being ordered of post to go to Harrods to buy him a particular brand of aftershave and silk stockings for his wife, then getting into deep shit at the org for leaving my post unmanned.

He was at SH at the time and sent an order for the LC and Qual Sec to find and pay for these things out of the 'petty cash' there and then. It was the most ludicrous thing I had ever heard and couldn't understand at the time why we got into so much trouble for following an 'order'.

Now, if he had ordered you off post to sneak over to Hyde Park and
score him some coke or crack, would you have done it? I assume such
a request would have been equally "off policy.