Message from a friend still in

[FlunkedForLaughing]

Originally Posted by SchwimmelPuckel

Scientology is a trap! - Very specifically there's a trap for the mind in there! - The Reactive mind, engrams, implants, valences, demon cirquits, service faximiles... All these exiting phenomena affect your thinking and mental processes.. Without you being aware of it! - It 'persuades' you into a position where your own mind is suspect.

And the BT's on the OT levels does the exact same thing. They affect your thinking and mental processes.. Without you being aware of it.

(Good thing it's all a lie.. We'd be in deep shit if it was true!)

Thanks Schwimmel for this post. It gives me more to think about that I haven't considered before.

I thought Scn training would give the student this information, so he/she would be able to see what's happening in themselves, and in others too, and be able to handle it. At that point they are supposed to be aware of it, and not be under the hidden influence of the mind or spirits.

Oh, the complexity of it all. My training runs deep. It doesn't all make sense. Think think think, figure figure figure.

FFL

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Originally Posted by FlunkedForLaughing

Thanks Schwimmel for this post. It gives me more to think about that I haven't considered before.

I thought Scn training would give the student this information, so he/she would be able to see what's happening in themselves, and in others too, and be able to handle it. At that point they are supposed to be aware of it, and not be under the hidden influence of the mind or spirits.

Oh, the complexity of it all. My training runs deep. It doesn't all make sense. Think think think, figure figure figure.

FFL

Just FYI guys and gals - my friend is applying the "Data Series" and has committed to looking at EVERYTHING. AND - states that is feeling more free than has felt in all the years "in" - plus seems fairly insouciant 'bout whatever! All VGI's in my book!

Roy, the EP's EP

[Good twin]

Originally Posted by EP - Ethics Particle

Just FYI guys and gals - my friend is applying the "Data Series" and has committed to looking at EVERYTHING. AND - states that is feeling more free than has felt in all the years "in" - plus seems fairly insouciant 'bout whatever! All VGI's in my book!

Roy, the EP's EP

Wow. That's good news EP.

[Lulu Belle]

Originally Posted by Freeman

I have been lurking around here for a while. Ex ED of a ClV org. This thread is important to me because here is a tech terminal with real doubts.

Well, this video should rock you! Objective analysis of the science behind "History of Man"

I will be posting my saga in the near future. Thanks guys.

Welcome, Freeman!!

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Originally Posted by FlunkedForLaughing

Thanks Schwimmel for this post. It gives me more to think about that I haven't considered before.

I thought Scn training would give the student this information, so he/she would be able to see what's happening in themselves, and in others too, and be able to handle it. At that point they are supposed to be aware of it, and not be under the hidden influence of the mind or spirits.

Oh, the complexity of it all. My training runs deep. It doesn't all make sense. Think think think, figure figure figure.

FFL

Heh.. Hubbard adviced against thinking and figuring.. I recommend it!

It's interesting to think and figure about what Hubbards purpose was with it.. Nowhere does Hubbard warn you about possible consequences from having your own mind in disrepute and untrustworthy. That little 'fact' is hidden behind the promises of improving the situation. When your'e 'clear' you can trust your own mind again. And excersise your right to vote with Herr. Hubbards approval...

Only.. Then there are the BT's!

Funny thing that.. Hubbard forgot about the voting rights. Obviously, with the 'discovery' of BT's, clears shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

Invalidating your own mind to rely on Hubbards 'reality' will make you highly 'suggestible'.. It's not even neccessary to speculate about hypnosis to see this.

[Neo]

Originally Posted by EP - Ethics Particle

Just FYI guys and gals - my friend is applying the "Data Series" and has committed to looking at EVERYTHING. AND - states that is feeling more free than has felt in all the years "in" - plus seems fairly insouciant 'bout whatever! All VGI's in my book!

Roy, the EP's EP

Roy, are you crediting the Data Series Tech with how he is now feeling? Or are you crediting the physical and mental act of looking? The latter of course has nothing to do with Hubbard. It's what got me out of Scientology.

I wish your friend all the best, truly. But one wouldn't want to hold back their own progress by crediting the wrong source now, would they?

Neo

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Originally Posted by Neo

Roy, are you crediting the Data Series Tech with how he is now feeling? Or are you crediting the physical and mental act of looking? The latter of course has nothing to do with Hubbard. It's what got me out of Scientology.

I wish your friend all the best, truly. But one wouldn't want to hold back their own progress by crediting the wrong source now, would they?

Neo

Neo, my friend, I really do not know, but believe the latter. I have never done the Data Series myself and only know a smattering of that so-called "tech". My gut feeling is that my friend has already experienced the paradigm shift which makes for seeing things in an entirely different perspective.

I will say that this "awakening" could have far-reaching effects here in the US similar to what is happening in ANZO. This "looking" is only a week old now - so let's just give it time to play out. Ripples on a pond is one thing - this would be like dropping a boulder in a child's wading pool, IMHO.

Are you familar with the term "Morphic Resonance"? Suggest you check it out and I would love to hear whether you agree with me that this is occuring now.

We are living in "interesting times" for sure.

Roy, the EP's EP

[Anne Ominous]

Hi guys,

What is up with ANZO? I keep hearing things about it being a massive disaster, but don't know what people are referring to. Something about 2 or 3 people leaving every day?

And also, to 'Still In': Good on you for assessing all the information! It's the only way to make an informed decision after all. Thinking of you and hoping you're well

[boonies]

Take it on a gradient and acknowledge what he can see right now. I found it totally overwhelming to have EVERYTHING slammed in my face at once.

If you've changed everything over and over and moved things about and blamed this and that for all the problems and yet they remain...what thing did you NOT ever change in the equation? What thing has remained unchanged throughout?
I'd say the person at the top of the org board, that's what.

[Zinjifar]

Well, there's also that, if you're trying to bake cupcakes, but, they keep coming out as fig newtons, eventually you might need to check your recipe. Even if the recipe's author *did* say it was a recipe for cupcakes.

Zinj