A story of Disconnection, neglect and suicide in scientology

Discussion in 'Fair Game and Disconnection Victims' started by Free to shine, Dec 9, 2016.

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  1. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    I'm starting this thread in this forum as overall it shows the devastation disconnection and 'scientology handling' and the fear of talking causes within familes. It's a harrowing read and there are thousands of stories with the same themes. It happened, it happens, it has to stop.

    http://tonyortega.org/2016/12/09/di...de-scientology-its-even-worse-than-you-think/

    Comment:

    http://tonyortega.org/2016/12/09/di...even-worse-than-you-think/#comment-3043959466
     
  2. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yep. That story is seriously heavy. But typical. Families ruined, people dead, and all the cult cares about is its PR!

    It's so f&',d up how the cult convinces people to think NOTHING is more important than the cult. Devastation all around, but "nothing to see here, move along".
     
  3. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Another comment that echoes my own feelings.

    http://tonyortega.org/2016/12/09/di...even-worse-than-you-think/#comment-3043959466
     
  4. Knows

    Knows Gold Meritorious Patron

    Scientology KILLS!

    Scientology is extremely dangerous and needs to be shut down.

    I have heard of other Scientolgoist's hanging themselves too to get out of their pain. I can't recall their names but they were written up on this board somewhere.

    Fuck Scientology! :angry:
    Why do these kids hang themselves? Such a horrible way to die.:bigcry:
     
  5. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Scientology_Suicides
     
  6. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    I have a son who attempted to kill himself on a few occasions and a step grandson who hung himself in his bedroom closet. He was 12.

    I could never ever forget the feelings of grief that flooded through me at the time, even though my son did not succeed.

    It is a terrible feeling for those who are close.

    It took me a while to accept my grandson's death. I still feel it from time to time.

    On the other hand, my son has finally found his way forward and I think his dark world is now behind him.

    Thank fuck for that.

    Now we have something to look forward to over what once was. #fingerscrossed....

    Scientology was nowhere in this picture. But I realise just how much it's toxicity it creates.

    Here is how it would seem now (song begins @ 1.33):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziv1L2SvYuU
     
  7. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    I remember a guy in Boston that was public for a long time that hung himself in his garage in the late 90's. Being Clear and all that I can't remember his name. :grouch: He's not on that list.

    I was so saddened to see Devon Royce on that list. He was a beautiful kid. Committed suicide becuase his brothers were in and his parents got out and he had to choose... fuck!
     
  8. Enthetan

    Enthetan Mutant

    This incident involves a murder rather than a suicide, but also shows Scn's disregard for anything but PR.

    Details in this thread
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/archive/index.php/t-15197.html

    Summary: Mark Harrison, HAS NYF in 1983, murdered Judy Heiss. Shortly after the murder, we were told that Mark was caught. He wasn't. He wasn't captured until 1989. My guess as to the reason for the lie was so that people who had info would not go to the police and get involved, under the mistaken notion that he was already caught.
     
  9. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I've had personal interaction and had been audited by two people that committed suicide, one was Doug Long, the other Claudia Ballard. Both were highly trained auditors.

    What comes to mind is Hubbard's claim that a trained auditor, among other reasons to get trained in scientology auditing, is senior to a clear. And yet how can two highly trained auditors commit suicide? Why would they commit suicide and not help "clear the planet"? And yet, both had done some of the OT levels to boot.

    Just a few red flags for me that I never connected dots while in.
     
  10. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    I know 2 people who committed suicide as well, one 'clear' and the other 'OT3'. I am sure there are many more who have had their sense of self destroyed and nowhere to turn, most we will never know.
     
  11. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Goodby Goodluck

    "their sense of self destroyed". That's the best way to say what happens to someone who has been taught that we're all composite beings who need to be disentangled to find the one's true identity again.
    Once they start to dissect themselves it all comes flying apart like coil springs suddenly released with no one to put poor Humpity back together again...
     
  12. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    :thumbsup:

    ESMB has got talent. True talent expressing the truth in so few words. One of the best poems I have ever read.

    Grrr how did that get in here?
    I meant to quote the following:

    umbo Bungo's tyrannical rage spewed
    Volcanic gas from deep in his ass
    In his wretched breath I foundered
    A fondued fool for a flogging
    At Jumbo Bungo's Flotilla's Command

    Odorous ex church of mine
    Odious a funny money sign
    Legions of dreams undermined
    Beneath shattered illusion & financial bind

    Clustered clams, shiny shucked & depearled
    Buttered & steamed feast mad fishers of souls
    Their oyster was our world

    The way out is the way out
    The way through is the way further in
     
  13. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    I'm sorry to hear about your grandson, Fixer. :bigcry:

    But I have to say, I am absolutely ELATED to hear that your son is finally doing well. :happydance: You've spent years struggling at this and I know it has been emotionally painful. So much time and effort. You and your spouse deserve to have a smooth, easy time and worked hard for it. Have a very Merry Christmas and wonderful holiday this year. You deserve it.

    =============

    As for those suffering from disconnection this year, I am so sorry, and hope that you find some joy in sharing the love and friendship of others this holiday season. I hope it won't be much longer before we create enough pressure on COS to break down that wall and barrier so that you and others can be reunited with your loved ones soon.
     
  14. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Goodby Goodluck

    Thanks, it took a long time for this to basically write itself and stay under 500 symbols as required as the upper limit of symbols allowed. I had to leave a lot out but it seems to be complete now so I resist the temptation to mess with what began as the "clustered clams..." part that was inspired by participating in the message board.
     
  15. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    I too was on the verge of expressing my appreciation for your wonderful poetry (not that I actually know anything about poetry except that I know what I like). I was going to ask if you'd had anything published, and if not, why not.
     
  16. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Goodby Goodluck

    Thanks. I've never been connected enough to find a pathway to have anything published, wish I did...
    I was inspired to write when I took a creative writing class at a Community College where the professor told me I should pursue a career in writing but I never did.
    My best stuff just pops into my head but I've gotten better at forcing my hand in getting the words to flow.
    It started out when I had a complete, more or less, passage pop into my head during a moment of two way racial hatred that read:
    "Sad the color of the container can so segregate the soul,
    when one's brand of pigment so limits one's role,
    in a Sinners World- a living quicksand of souls
    where the deeper one's hatred
    the deeper one's hole..."
    But then I got to where I couldn't "not write" and keep the marauding thoughts out of my head, which I then attributed to an out OT3, so I kind of gave it up.
    No outlet, basically.
    It kind of got me hooked on the message board though.
     
  17. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    I wouldn't have a clue as to who one could approach with a view to getting one's work published, but it seems a shame that it's not 'out there'. How about 'poetrybydagwoodgum.net'? :biggrin: Just a thought.
     
  18. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Goodby Goodluck

    That writing class required that we keep a daily journal where you had to spend a set amount of time writing any thoughts that came to mind, or pure gibberish if that's all you had, almost like praying in tongues, so as to open and keep open all creative channels and inspire the words to flow. Probably a common requirement of many such classes, but it seemed to work.
     
  19. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    Of course, I don't know if anyone has PM'd you about it, but your work has impressed at least [strike]2[/strike] 3 of us esmb'ers, so I for one hope you keep it up.
     
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2016
  20. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Goodby Goodluck

    Thank you so much for the validation, rarely has anyone ever said anything to me about any of this.:biggrin:
     

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