A video about the alterations of the Tech by a Class VIII

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  1. Veda

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    People doing the drill usually didn't expect to move the ashtray any other way than manually, however, after doing (then) "OT 8" (once it was released), it was expected that they'd be able to move objects with their intention (without the via of their hands).

    At the time people in Orgs believed L. Ron Hubbard was being honest with them. As far as I know they still do.

    Perhaps someone can post a link to the Grade Chart of that era.

    Hubbard made millions, and justified slave labor and Fair Game, and other abuses, with the promise of the EP of - then - "OT 8."
     
  2. dianaclass8

    dianaclass8 Silver Meritorious Patron

    Hi Veda:

    My husband did OT8 and we never ever thought about being able to move objects...I find that a silly goal...it is like a parlor trick to me...why should I want to move objects when I know the law of gravity is un defyable...OT or no OT...I would much rather have the following OT Abilities:

    Grant beingness....
    Be Pandetermined....per the definition
    And be able to do what it says in What is greatness.

    I think if you can do those things you can move mountains, gravity or not...

    Diana
     
  3. I told you I was trouble

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    They are not OT abilities ... they are choices.




    Ooooh yeah ... I bet he really loved "SP's" ... and he would have loved ESMB members (in a non censorious way).
     
  4. dianaclass8

    dianaclass8 Silver Meritorious Patron

    ***Who knows...time have changed...and nowdays people admit their mistakes in he internet and it is accepted...:happydance:

    But getting back to the purpose of this posting; videos which help people decide with facts to stay or leave.

    Diana
     
  5. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    No one did the "OT 8" that was featured on the 1960s/1970s Grade Chart. It was never released, and apparently - except for some theory - didn't exist.

    The only "OT 8" that was released was "New OT 8," around 1986 or so. I was not referring to that "OT 8."

    Suggest that you look up "Operating Thetan" in the 'Scientology Tech Dictionary'.

    Granting Beingness should be an EP achieved somewhere between the Comm Course and the Lower Grades. "OT," per Hubbard's description, is about operating, and operating without need of a body.

    'What is Greatness?' was published concurrent with the behind-the scenes establishing of the Fair-Game-Law-applying Guardians Office, and was used as distraction and cover http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=83012&postcount=67, much as was Scientology PR Tech, which was developed a few years later. http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=1911
     
  6. I told you I was trouble

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    No ... of course I can't ... I am an EX scientologist and I have lost all my 'OT abilities' ... (as you do).

    :whistling:
     
  7. dianaclass8

    dianaclass8 Silver Meritorious Patron

    Thank you very much for the information Veda.

    Diana
     
  8. dianaclass8

    dianaclass8 Silver Meritorious Patron

    Well, the topic of this thread is about the videos that help people decide without others telling them what to do
    Diana
     
  9. I told you I was trouble

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    Oooh ... I think I have just been acked ...

    :p

    Later.

    Ah ... you revised your post (number 108).
     
  10. thefiredragon

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    Man! I wanna watch that video but i don't have earhones or speakers!
    I have to start postulating earphones now!
    Thanks for sharing it anyway.
     
  11. xseaorguk

    xseaorguk Patron Meritorious

    Vedas Posts

    Quote: (Veda)

    No one did the "OT 8" that was featured on the 1960s/1970s Grade Chart. It was never released, and apparently - except for some theory - didn't exist.

    The only "OT 8" that was released was "New OT 8," around 1986 or so. I was not referring to that "OT 8."

    Suggest that you look up "Operating Thetan" in the 'Scientology Tech Dictionary'.

    Granting Beingness should be an EP achieved somewhere between the Comm Course and the Lower Grades. "OT," per Hubbard's description, is about operating, and operating without need of a body

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    My reply:

    I agree with you Veda, well said!
    When I got in, that was 1979, I remember that old grade chart with the original OT levels.
    Nobody had done OT8 back then, that is true.

    The 'abilities' Diana talks about are also ones you can learn for free in other religions, where it is all about Loving and forgiving.
    You dont need to spend hours and hours of your life in the course room of $cientology to learn that. (only to get their statistics UP)
    I learned thee things by being out here, living my life.
    It is really true to me that it all has to do with Love, and something I didnt hear about in $cientology was 'unconditional Love'.

    Tory Christman is an ispiration for me, as she did right up to OT7, so knows what she is talking about, and now she is out and such a lovely person, speaking out.
    She recognized that Scientology is actually a 'trap', and that is something you, Diana, should look at more closely in my opinion.
    Hubbard did not understand how the mind works, he just wrote a lot about it and tried to create one 'tech' for all, which doesnt work anyway.

    Have you heard of Louise Haye?
    She has also written some great stuff.

    All best wishes to you Diana.
    You seem a genuine person.
     
  12. Mark A. Baker

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    Since when is the power to choose freely and be responsible for your choices made not the true meaning of ot?


    Mark A. Baker
     
  13. I told you I was trouble

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    :confused2:

    You can call it "OT" if you like ...

    :whistling:
     
  14. dianaclass8

    dianaclass8 Silver Meritorious Patron

    XSEAORG:

    Thank you for your response. I sincerely respect your opinion and in some ways I agree with you, it is true that those virtues can be attained in other religions as well, I just happen to choose Scn for the moment being. I also believe strongly in the power of love for without it we would be nothing.

    Tory is also an inspiration for me, she is very brave and has gone through a lot to expose the Church. She is a friend of mine and I have been to one of her 'SP parties and she is one hell of a fire cracker!!!

    I never heard of Louise Haye but I will check that thank you.

    If you live in LA or ever come to LA please visit me and let's have a cup of tea...or a margarita why not?:happydance:

    Diana
     
  15. exsomessenger

    exsomessenger Patron Meritorious

    great post D. Spot on.
     
  16. dianaclass8

    dianaclass8 Silver Meritorious Patron

    Thank you! I love your icon....:thumbsup:

    Diana
     
  17. dianaclass8

    dianaclass8 Silver Meritorious Patron

    Itoldyou...

    Como chingas...LOL! Ya te lei...ya te entendi...ahora que quieres que haga o que te diga? :coolwink:

    Diana
     
  18. I told you I was trouble

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    Love you too ...

    :coolwink:
     
  19. dianaclass8

    dianaclass8 Silver Meritorious Patron

    :roflmao:

    Diana
     
  20. I told you I was trouble

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    Lol ... you are a naughty girl.

    :eyeroll:
     

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