I was trying to find a point of agreement with you Roland, unfortunately your brain appears to be too addled to read any messages openly. Nisargadatta was making the same point as you, but your eyes and brain didn't see it and you were compelled to write an abusive dismissive comment instead, so sad for you Roland.
Then I'll explain it in terms you will understand. Here goes ....... There is no point embarking on a journey to know something if there is nothing to be "known". Saying that the journey itself for seeking knowledge that is not there to be gained is the goal in itself is a blatantly stupid statement. That it was written down maybe thousands of years ago makes no difference. People knew less then than they do now. What they wrote ain't worth reading.
Somebody is getting something out of God. Look at all the time and effort spent pursuing it by so many people.
Look at the faces of those who have "Found it".
They look happy. And fulfilled.
When you talk to them they will tell you, quite often, that it was the most wonderful experience of their lives.
Yet you say that they are just stupid or delusional.
Is it stupid or delusional to seek experiences which produce this much joy in your life?
Or is it stupid or delusional to believe that since you can not experience it, no one else can or should, either?
And one more thing, Roland.
The technology to handle your spirokeets can be found in a book by Kurt Vonnegut called "Breakfast of Champions".
Happy hunting.
Clams can look happy and fulfilled after coming out of session. I am sure you have seen the pictures in the Flag magazines. It does not mean it is valid.
Do you think you can find God where Jesus failed? Jesus said that the Second Coming was going to happen in some of the lifetimes of his followers. He told Caiphas that he would witness the Second Coming. It didn't happen, did it? Do you think you can find God where Jesus failed? If so then tell us about your better qualities that make you more eligible.
It was only when I recognized that I had been tricked, and derailed from my purpose to seek God, that I fully left Scientology.
So no - seeking God is not an impediment to recovery from Scientology. For me, it fuels my recovery. And I've seen it fuel many others', as well.
Hi Alanzo,
In early Scientology and Dianetics - Ron Hubbard avoided defining the Eighth Dynamic as people have so many differing "mind creations" of God. Some see God as a "noun" and others see god as a "verb". eg. God is love. Some see God as the Jehovah of the Old Testament who described himself as a jealous and angry God demanding obedience. Others see Jesus as an interceder between themselves and God. Many who believed in a God also have the opposite belief of a devil or Satan in place which then can explain the cruelties and evil that occurs on Earth.
Ron Hubbard researched the technology of Scientology but was as human as you and I. He had human opinions about many things and some of those opinions were allowed to creep into the technology and became confused with the tech. The technology is only as valid as it is applied. And it should be applied as given in the "Auditor's Code". For Ron to state that there is no God is a violation of that code, as it is an evaluation and invalidation of those who have that "mind creation".
If you are still interested in the technology then it will be quite important to distinguish between Ron Hubbard; the fiction writer, LRH; the technical director, LRH the Commodore; the Ship's captain; and Ron; the man.
Also to be able to differentiate between his opinions and the tech.
Also to be able to differentiate between his opinions and the tech.
If you are still interested in the technology then it will be quite important to distinguish between Ron Hubbard; the fiction writer, LRH; the technical director, LRH the Commodore; the Ship's captain; and Ron; the man. Also to be able to differentiate between his opinions and the tech.
Sorry, LoftyCrane.
All those "hats" you describe were all part of Hubbard's same plan - to produce a 100 million dollar estate for himself. And that's it.
You can separate out those things for yourself if you want.
But I've already learned my lesson on Scientology.
Why? Why would 'His' opinions be any less valid than 'The Tech'? And, vice versa.
Ron *used* 'The Tech'; His 'opinions' are formulated by the *Source* of 'Tech'.
The Tech *is* Ron; He is Source. If His 'opinions' are fallible, so is 'The Tech'.
Zinj
Sorry, LoftyCrane.
All those "hats" you describe were all part of Hubbard's same plan - to produce a 100 million dollar estate for himself. And that's it.
You can separate out those things for yourself if you want.
But I've already learned my lesson on Scientology.
I'm not trying to proselytise you into anything, so you don't have to be sorry. And if you believe that all that LRH wanted out of Scientology was money - so be it. I have long ago learnt never to come between someone and their beliefs.
Could you be a bit more specific as to what the lesson was you learnt. Did you have any auditing or study Scientology? Or were you just conned?
Martin
Do you think you can find God where Jesus failed?
Jesus said that the Second Coming was going to happen in some of the lifetimes of his followers. He told Caiphas that he would witness the Second Coming. It didn't happen, did it? Do you think you can find God where Jesus failed? If so then tell us about your better qualities that make you more eligible.
That it was written down maybe thousands of years ago makes no difference. People knew less then than they do now. What they wrote ain't worth reading.
Because, for me, Scientology was a route to God. At least that is what I asked for, and was told it would be. Imagine my shock, 13 years later on the BC, to hear Hubbard tell me in a tape that there was no God.
It was only when I recognized that I had been tricked, and derailed from my purpose to seek God, that I fully left Scientology. And every continued experience of seeking God for me has illuminated one more aspect of Hubbard's con, and helped me to recover from having trusted, and been derailed from seeking God.
So no - seeking God is not an impediment to recovery from Scientology. For me, it fuels my recovery. And I've seen it fuel many others', as well.
I had asked you whether it was stupid or delusional to seek experiences which brought so much joy into your life, as seeking God does to so many people.
Was this your answer?
I can't tell.