Hi Pitsy! No, I don't especially care to be thought of as an "apologist". A while ago I did demur saying could be viewed as "apologia". No. En. Oh. NO!!! I do not now and have never had an agenda on ESMB. I like hanging out and conversing with people who have done a study I have done. I'm not an "independent scientologist". I rarely ever speak of Ron or Co$, I don't look at situations and ask "what would Ron do?" although on several occaisions I have made good use of good advice he gave. And sometimes Ron has come to mind and I've thought "Hubbard would do yada-yada but I'm not that kind of guy. And NO! NO!! NO!!! The goddam chain locker ain't real child abuse Pitsy. You get your ass in gear and go to the ER of any big city hospital ER and watch the parade of bruised, battered, burned, boiled, broiled babies passing through and maybe you might take an interest in the benefits dianetics might have provided for their parents.