Jesus is supposed to have cast out demons (and if memory serves, he taught his disciples to do it too).
Correct. My father was an episcopalian exorcist. My wife is an
assistant exorcist.
Something I posted some years ago.
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NOTS AND THE BIBLE
The Xenu story "body thetans" and Nots auditing has come in for much
ridicule
. Here.I’d like to put aside the Xenu story,perhaps class that
is mythology, ,and look at the relationship between Nots and the
excorcising of demons as presented in the Gospels.
One point about the Bible is that it is as well as a religious
text,a historical document.Further an authorititive one in that there
are several accounts of the same person and events from multiple
sources.There are many references to exorcisms,including multiple
possession.
There is the question of what if any are the differences between
a demon and a "body thetan" or entity.They are both non material yet
alive in some way,both affect the possessee adversely in some
way,both can be gotten rid of by simple commands,
both can exist as multiples or clusters..Collectively they seem to
have troubled man throughout his existance.As far as I can see there
is not such a lot of difference.
Considering the Gospels have come down to us through many
versions,translations ect,none of which were contemporary with
Christ,there is remarkable similarity,
to Nots auditing,if that was also the original intention of Christ.
"In the evening at sundown,they would bring all the sick and
demon possessed to him……On such occasions he cured many
people afflicted with various diseases and drove out many demons."
Mark 1-32.
"And summoning his 12 deciples he gave them authority to drive
out unclean spirits and to heal every disease and every ailment."
Matthew 10-1
"And his reputation spread through the whole of Syria.They
brought him everyone who was ill,who suffered from any kind of disease
or was in intense pain,who was possessed,who was epileptic,or a
parylytic,and he cured them.Mathew
4-24.
These are a few examples. These show that driving out demons was a
separate
goal different to curing ,epilepsy,disease,paralysis,pain ect.This was
probably relieving the person with regard to mental or spiritual
issues.Counselling if you like
which is still practiced today in confessional and in exorcism.
CLUSTERS
In some instances multiple possession is encountered and
handled.This is parrallelled by the auditing of "clusters" on Nots.
"Mary,the one from Magdala,from whom seven Demons had taken
their leave…." Luke 8-2
"Jesus questioned him :"What is your name?"
"Legion" ,he said,because many demons had entered him.They kept
begging himnot to order them to depart into the abyss……and
they bargained with him to let them enter those pigs.And he
agreed.Then the demons came out of the fellow and entered the
pigs…." Luke 8-30
"When an unclean spirit leaves a person,it wanders through
waterless places in search of a resting place.When it dosn’t
find one it says,I will go back to the home I left.It then returns,and
finds and finds it swept and refurbished.Next it goes out and brings
back seven other spirits more vile than itself,who enter and settle in
there.So that person ends up worse of than when he or she started."
Luke 11 -24
It seems multiple possession was quite common.The last
reference seems to be giving an explanation of why that would be.It is
also parralel to the phenomena of having audited one of a cluster
using Nots ,there are several more entities who have the same
pictures,incidents copied among themselves.And they remain.
TEACHING
Christ actually taught his Deciples to also drive out demons.
See mathew 10-1 above.
Also see below Mark 9-38 , Jesus is called teacher.
"He called his 12 together and gave them power and authority over
all demons and to heal diseases." Luke 9-1
"He formed a group of twelve to be his companions,and to be sent
out to speak,and to have authority to drive out demons." Mark-14
Also disciple means one who recieves instruction.As I understand
it Christ was a man so could not rely on devine powers to excorcise
demons.He used words,much as auditors do.His disciples certainly were
not devine and he taught them how to drive out demons.It also seemed
an important part of his mission.Bringing his version of the "Tech" to
people,perhaps.
COMMANDS
Well in Luke 8-30 you have him bargaining with demons,to let
them go into pigs.
Here is another example. "But Jesus yelled at it,"Shut up and
get out of him."
Mark 1-25.
This latter is a bit abrupt.Inthat it is similar to the
"Thetan hand" technique of Nots.
The Shcolars of the Westar institute:-
Jesus undoubtedly made remarks during the exorcism of
demons.Because they were not incantations or magical formulae,the
disciples did not preserve his actual words.As a consequence,scholars
conclude that words such as those found in
1-25 represent the story tellers’s idea of what Jesus would have
said in expelling a demon.
This cold mean these words were simple questions or commands such
as found in auditing.As in everyday use,and thus not remarked on.They
are lost it seems
unless new archaelogical treasures are discovered.
CRAMMING
Sometimes the deciples weren't successfull in their exorcism attempt.
"Later the disciples came to Jesus privately and asked
,"Why couldn't we drive it out?"
So he says to them,"Because of your lack of trust.
I swear to you even if you have trust no larger than a mustard seed,
you will say to this mountain,!Move from here to there,and it will
move.And nothing will be beyond you." Mathew 17-20.
Here Jesus seems to be saying "You can be cause,
your postulates can work.Have more certainty in your postulates
(tone 40) and they will happen.Sort of a statement of AXIOM 2
"The static is capable of considerations,postulates and opinons."
And thus can create universes.Or move mountains
SQUIRRELLING
Michael 'Mike' Gormez -
www.taxexemptchildabuse.net <
[email protected]> wrote in message news:<9l6jih.3vve4jn.1@Remember_Gabriella_Bramucci.hf73ce6e5.invalid>...
> In article <
[email protected]>, Freddy Kruger <
[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Well, this is just what the RTC church wants, for
> >people to attack any new upstarts. You are now
> >doing their work for them!
>
> Don't talk non-sense. You obviously haven't invested a nano-second to
> check my credentials. I am very impatient with lazy people.
Hi Mike,
I don't know you well,but I've seen your name.You
may feel likewise about me.One thing.I definitely left "Joking and
Degrading" PL behind.Its one of the liberating things about being a
freezoner and a human being.JOKING AND DEGRADING IS COOL!!!!
> >You are now working for RTC. How happy you must be!
This is his version of J&D.
> Very. They promised me a job at the implant station on Venus where all the
> female thetans go to. It was just too good an offer! :8)
WOW!! Do they need anyone else??? ( my version
)
> >OK we might not want to follow another LRH policy group,
> >but this is just the thing needed to diffuse the authority of
> >the central church. If people want a hard core Scientology
> >group, they should have a right to it!
>
> Just as much as I am entitled to fight the Hubbard fascist decease.
Errr! Lighten up perhaps??
> >What we don't need most of all is any religious monopoly.
>
> What I don't want is another group with Nazi-like aspirations. Go audit -
> if you have to - but leave the fucking harmful Hubbard policies at the
> door.
Alf Noumenon hasd a sig From Chomsky.It goes something like this"You
do not believe in freedom of aspeech unless you allow it for those
you most abhor." Michael 'Mike' Gormez -
www.taxexemptchildabuse.net <
[email protected]> wrote in message news:<9l6jih.3vve4jn.1@Remember_Gabriella_Bramucci.hf73ce6e5.invalid>...
> In article <
[email protected]>, Freddy Kruger <
[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Well, this is just what the RTC church wants, for
> >people to attack any new upstarts. You are now
> >doing their work for them!
>
> Don't talk non-sense. You obviously haven't invested a nano-second to
> check my credentials. I am very impatient with lazy people.
Hi Mike,
I don't know you well,but I've seen your name.You
may feel likewise about me.One thing.I definitely left "Joking and
Degrading" PL behind.Its one of the liberating things about being a
freezoner and a human being.JOKING AND DEGRADING IS COOL!!!!
> >You are now working for RTC. How happy you must be!
This is his version of J&D.
> Very. They promised me a job at the implant station on Venus where all the
> female thetans go to. It was just too good an offer! :8)
WOW!! Do they need anyone else??? ( my version
)
> >OK we might not want to follow another LRH policy group,
> >but this is just the thing needed to diffuse the authority of
> >the central church. If people want a hard core Scientology
> >group, they should have a right to it!
>
> Just as much as I am entitled to fight the Hubbard fascist decease.
Errr! Lighten up perhaps??
> >What we don't need most of all is any religious monopoly.
>
> What I don't want is another group with Nazi-like aspirations. Go audit -
> if you have to - but leave the fucking harmful Hubbard policies at the
> door.
Alf Noumenon hasd a sig From Chomsky.It goes something like this"You
do not believe in freedom of aspeech unless you allow it for those
you most abhor."
Your a believer.Your my friend.
And YES! I want to get rid of the harmfull policies.
> Mike
Your a believer.Your my friend.
And YES! I want to get rid of the harmfull policies.
> Mike
Here is a section from Mark 9-38
"John said to him,"Teacher,we saw someone driving out demons
in your name,so we tried to stop him,because he wasn’t one of
our adherents"
Jesus responded,"Don’t stop
him!……….In fact whoever is not against us is on our
side……."
Sigh!…..If only COS had this same attitude.Note the
addressing of Jesus as Teacher. It looks like Christ is teaching an
early form of nots here.
LRH actually was liberal.I will post anew.
CONFIDENTIALITY
From Luke 8-16
"No one lights a lamp and covers it with a pot or puts it
undera bed;rather one puts it on a lampstand,so that those who come in
can see the light.After all,there is nothing hidden that won’t
be brought to light,nor secreted away that won’t be made known
and exposed."
Here is another point COS could have learned from.
So those who wish to mockNots,you get very close to mocking your
friends or your own tradition.
Religion generally,and Christianity in particular has been
usurped and taken over by Rulers governments and different
factions.One well known example being the Take over by Constantine,in
325 A.D ,who instigated the Vote on whether God was
1 or 3,by a council of bishopsat Niceae.
Thus some parts of the tradition are given prominence over others
at different times.I was very surprised at the very many refs.to
casting out of demons.I have
only quoted a fraction of them.Yet this tradition is not spoken much
about.
I was raised in Christian schools althiough I am not one.I was never
told much of this,in fact can remember nothing.
bb
