Are young kids being recruited at Flag?

[Lulu Belle]

This is regarding a recent VV article:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/03/scientology_clearwater_disconnection.php#Comments

The article has some photos of what looks like little kids getting off the Flag SO bus.

As many of you who have been in the SO know, there are no more kids allowed to be born on SO bases, and there haven't been for some time. One would assume that means there no longer is a Cadet Org.

So, who are these kids, and why are they there?

Some of the stuff I extracted from the Comments section:


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Mark Stark: I watched a lot of videos of bus loads of Sea Org in Clearwater and never saw kids before. Maybe it was a just Birthday or special event.



TheHoleDoesNotExist: Mark, those kids were in EPF uniform. That's what made my heart stop beating. The dark blue pants and tshirts is standard for EPF, which is Estates Project Force. It's like boot camp, only worse, when you first join staff in the Sea Org. The RPF, Rehabilitation Profject Force is the prison/torturuous camp Sea Org members are thrown into if they don't do something someone else doesn't like. Rehabilitation means brainwashing .

Both the EPF and RPF are in actuality used for cheap physical labor. So this is why I just freaked out the other day when I saw these kids dressed in their Blues.


MarcabianFleetCommander: I believe that the Cadet Org was done away with years ago: possibly as far back as the 70s or 80s. Can someone confirm?


OliviaZero: The Cadet Org, per se, does not exist....now they just recruit teenagers (and pre-teenagers) directly into the regular Sea Org (starting with the EPF). The Cadet Org was mostly for when the Sea Orgers were allowed to birth children while they were "enlisted"---those kids had to go somewhere. The kids they recruit nowadays are often the offspring of public Scientologists.


This is a really scary comment:


Derfty: There are also children trafficked here from other countries. Including scientology owned orphanages from Haiti, Nigeria, India, and others.

Robert Duggan, CEO of Pharmacyclics, Inc., along with wife Tricia, are the sole patron of the Haiti orphanage.

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Please take a look at the photos, read the artcile and comments, etc. Is it possible they are getting away with recruiting young kids?

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

They want 'em young, goes well with LrH policy. Meld them into the vision you want by denying them a decent childhood and fill their brains with junk, I do not think that much has changed so it comes as no surprise that the sheeples in the cult willingly hand over their kid's minds to the spew of LRon, looking at some of the recent vids of who the cult are staffing the orgs with, ie. kids from second/third gen suckers, oh greaaaaaat.
Just read some of the testimonies of those who had enough balls to escape ( exscikids for example), and see the hurdles created by a mad mother-fucker.

Thanks Ron, you dead twisted toad.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[Semper Phi]

This is regarding a recent VV article:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/03/scientology_clearwater_disconnection.php#Comments

The article has some photos of what looks like little kids getting off the Flag SO bus.

As many of you who have been in the SO know, there are no more kids allowed to be born on SO bases, and there haven't been for some time. One would assume that means there no longer is a Cadet Org.

So, who are these kids, and why are they there?

I trained at Flag until mid-2010. I saw no evidence of foreign kids being brought in, at that time anyway. The little kids in navy blue are called "cadets," though there doesn't seem to be an official Cadet Org anymore. At that time there were a dozen or so of them. My impression was that they were the children of adults who were recruited into the SO, but they weren't old enough to actually sign their own SO contracts. I used to see some of them eating meals with their SO parents.

They are not on the EPF (Flag EPFers wear light blue shirts, not navy), but they do perform some work around the base. There were a few of them that used to help the dining hall staff get the staff dining room ready for meals.

Some of those kids were so little, it just broke my heart. My understanding is that adults can't join the SO until their kids are 10. But some of those kids were really young-looking 10-year-olds. Like the little guy in the VV picture. Heartbreaking. And criminal.

 

[Lulu Belle]

I trained at Flag until mid-2010. I saw no evidence of foreign kids being brought in, at that time anyway. The little kids in navy blue are called "cadets," though there doesn't seem to be an official Cadet Org anymore. At that time there were a dozen or so of them. My impression was that they were the children of adults who were recruited into the SO, but they weren't old enough to actually sign their own SO contracts. I used to see some of them eating meals with their SO parents.

They are not on the EPF (Flag EPFers wear light blue shirts, not navy), but they do perform some work around the base. There were a few of them that used to help the dining hall staff get the staff dining room ready for meals.

Some of those kids were so little, it just broke my heart. My understanding is that adults can't join the SO until their kids are 10. But some of those kids were really young-looking 10-year-olds. Like the little guy in the VV picture. Heartbreaking. And criminal.

So, what happens is: After the can't-have-kids issue comes out for existing staff, people can still get recruited in with kids.

Knowing recruiting and recruiters the way I've known them, they bend the rules until they break.

Joe and Mary are hot recruit prospects, but their son is 8, not 10. (And, good god, isn't 10 young for a kid to be floating around the SO in a non-existent "cadet org"?)

Those of you familiar with recruit lines: Do you really really think that the recruiters will patiently wait 2 years for the kid to turn 10 so they are abiding by the rules?

 

[Semper Phi]

So, what happens is: After the can't-have-kids issue comes out for existing staff, people can still get recruited in with kids.

Knowing recruiting and recruiters the way I've known them, they bend the rules until they break.

Joe and Mary are hot recruit prospects, but their son is 8, not 10. (And, good god, isn't 10 young for a kid to be floating around the SO in a non-existent "cadet org"?)

Those of you familiar with recruit lines: Do you really really think that the recruiters will patiently wait 2 years for the kid to turn 10 so they are abiding by the rules?

Speaking for myself, the fact that my son wasn't 10 yet was always the deal-breaker for any recruiters who were sounding me out on joining the SO, and they pretty much left me alone.

However, I knew a couple who had been in the SO, and when their son was born they left or went on extended leave or something and worked in a Class V org until he turned 10. As soon as he turned 10, though, they rejoined the SO, and he went with them.

 

[Lulu Belle]

What bothers me about this is this arbitrary 10-year-old thing.

Legally, 10 is no kind of "legal" age that I know of.

Legally, 10 is pretty much like 8.

Or 7.

Or 2.

Legally, 18 is a legal age. Or 21.

So, the SO sets 10 as the rule. But it's a Sea Org rule. No one else's.

Which means "he who makes the rules can break them" sets in.

 

[Gadfly]

I don't know what it is like today.

In 1984 my wife was recruited back into the Sea Org. I was forced to go along for the ride. My daughter was age 2. She went into the "nursery", which existed along with the "cadet org" on Flag.

At various times the Sea Org set different age limits for how old a child must be to be able to be accpeted with a parent into the Sea Org. Back when we went back in, the age was 6 years old, but it was ignored. If Flag wanted somebody, like a NOTs auditor, they would ignore the rule and accept a parent with younger children. Or with us, they got two adults, and had to take care of one young child.

The age limit might be higher today.

When each of my kids were 14 years old, they were approached to "join the Sea Org". Of course, with all the strong-arming and peer pressure they "joined". But, they each didn't like it and each eventually left the Sea Org. The typical age was 13-14 back then (mid 1990s) for the Sea Org member's kids to be recruited into Flag from the Cadet Org.

Kids under a certain age are NEVER recruited into the Sea Org. The parent is recruited, and the kids go with them. Again, I don't know what the current age rules are in this regard, but there had been a tendency for the Sea Org (back when I was involved) to try to phase out the Cadet Org as it was always seen in some regards as "counter-intention" and "other-intention" for them to have to address and handle the "kids". Dealing with the young children was viewed as a "distraction" to "clearing the planet".

 

[phénix]

I was in the SO in LA

They wouldn't try to recruit kids that were too young, they knew it was gonna trouble...
though there are cycles were they get young kids to sign the contract...but they can't actually join if they're too young
I would say that age limit would be 16 to join but I'm not sure...

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

I have recently heard there is a probation period for new Sea Org members. I'm assuming it is around 90 days.

But I haven't heard any changes in the Sea Org rule.

My speculation is that they take little kids in as some sort of internship for a short period, probably from the local Scientology schools.

And then the kids are committed to joining when they turn 16 or something.

It wouldn't surprise me if the schools give these kids some kind of credit for this that can graduate them faster.

This is all pure speculation on my part.

But nothing, and I mean nothing, would surprise me.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[anon612]

For the record:

Mark Stark: I watched a lot of videos of bus loads of Sea Org in Clearwater and never saw kids before. Maybe it was a just Birthday or special event.

^Inaccurate. I see kids under the age of 14 every single protest. The buses from Delphi Academy et al actually drive them to the Coachman building and drop them off in the parking lot, where they're then escorted inside. I also see packs of them in EPF uniforms being escorted around by one adult Sea Org.

 

[Lamb]

In 2008, Flag was bending the rules to allow the kids of new recruits into the cadet org. (still there--I got the tour) up to age 6. They have their own birthing and plenty of work to do besides the few hours of schooling that they get. Kids and adults get the EPF, not just the adults. I got the full tour in 2008 during their attempted recruit cycle and I left town when I was through with it, never to return. They don't even pretend that you will be able to see the kids more than 20 minutes per week--at least they were honest with me so that I could wake up and fully blow.

 

[Kutta]

...They don't even pretend that you will be able to see the kids more than 20 minutes per week ...

My God What kind of parent/parents would sign up for that.

 

[NoName]

Out of curiosity, now that Darth Xander has dox and people are discussing what they saw on this board in order to corroborate, has anyone called law enforcement or FBI?

 

[Lone Star]

Out of curiosity, now that Darth Xander has dox and people are discussing what they saw on this board in order to corroborate, has anyone called law enforcement or FBI?

FBI won't touch it unless the parents of the kids file complaints. Since the parents are complicit that is very unlikely to happen. Child Protective Services would be the agency to look into it. I wouldn't count on them either until there's a large public outcry.

 

[anon612]

Out of curiosity, now that Darth Xander has dox and people are discussing what they saw on this board in order to corroborate, has anyone called law enforcement or FBI?

FBI says it's outside their jurisdiction, CPD looked into it and said no law had been broken so there was nothing they could do.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

Federal Beauraugh of Instigations




arghhhhhh, they didn't help because they're broke, suck on that OSA while you ponder your future.

 

[Jump]

Shore story:
They're recruiting more dwarves to take over when Mismanage is incarcerated.

 

[Feral]

Not much makes me gasp these days, but I read this part;

But a decade back, she was so dedicated to the church, she thought she was doing the right thing by disconnecting from her own son.

He had ditched the Sea Org, she explained, because he had stumbled on some things on the Internet. Then, he had become so dedicated to fighting Scientology, he went to college to become a lawyer so he'd be able to challenge the church in court.

In other words, he was a classic "suppressive person" or "SP," the kind of excommunicated former member that other members in good standing are required to remove completely from their lives -- to "disconnect" from them -- or risk being declared SPs themselves.

She knew she was in the right, according to church policy, to cut him out of her life.

It's what happened next that she didn't account for when she made that decision.

Her son was killed in an automobile accident.

There was no good reason for it. It just happened.

In 2009, when she read the expose by journalists Joe Childs and Tom Tobin and finally came out of the church herself, there was no reunion with her son who would have, no doubt, been thrilled to see her leave David Miscavige's organization behind.

Struggling with emotion, she told me, "I want anyone who is disconnecting to think about that -- will they ever really get another chance to be with that person again?"

How would you feel?

Blood's thicker than water.

DON'T DISCONNECT!

 

[Feral]

All of this seeing kids in EPF uniforms reminds me of a recruitment cycle of my business partner, his wife and 6 y/o daughter in 2000 (give or take).

S.O. members are always under so much pressure to get STATS that their reasoning becomes pretty muddy, aided by the doctrine of "the greatest good" they're outright dangerous, kind of like a heroin addict needing a fix.

Kerry Crutchfield, the mother of Carly, was desperate to get Michael and Fiona O'Connell to join the S.O. The only problem was they had as I mentioned a daughter, well that would be FINE! She could stay in the nursery. Kerry told Mike to ask Carly how GREAT it was being in the creche (her whole childhood). So Mike did. Carly told him her childhood was a total nightmare, she hated being left in the creche and it had fucked up her brother. She told him of never seeing her parents and getting picked up asleep at midnight to be brought back to her own bed, only to wake up in a rush to get taken back to the creche, day after day without a day off.

The odd thing was that Mum had no idea that she'd neglected her daughter. WTF?

Flexible logic and an ability to cherry pick the "right" facts that support your cognitive bias is a big pre-req to remaining in the cult, but mostly the SO.

It all leads to them becoming serial abusers.

 

[Free to shine]

Some of the comments from this important article.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/03/scientology_clearwater_disconnection.php#Comments

Chuck Beatty

Best to ask Tom Devocht and the ansewr is likely yes, those kids are EPF members.

I think local upper ranks Sea Org people follow the laws (fudging now and then is to be expected) with kids, meaning their parents signed legal waivers giving up the kids, allowing local adult Sea Org members as those children's guardians in the cases the parents are not there seeing their children regularly.

It's a whole big investigation and story waiting to be written.

Flag for 3 decades has not ever stopped having the pre adolescent children be "cadet' category and EPF category beginning Sea Org members!

Flag's continued this out of demand by those kids themselves.

We need a defected kid, who went that whole Flag "cadet" and "EPF" route, and there are plenty of stories on Ex Scn Kids site, but to explain in detail, year by year, how at Flag in particular, this kids recruitment into the Sea Org has just never ceased!

Some of those kids believe in past lives already, and I'm interested in hearing those kids views about their past lives, those that are willing to speak openly about those types of concepts, which absolutely have an impact in making them believe they are doing the right thing.

The kids' thoughts, I wish MORE defected ex Kids would speak the latest they experienced.

Crusader1

I can confirm that there is a Cadet Org at Flag, and that those kids are cadets, not EPFers.

Other than the fact that those are Cadet Org uniforms, if they were EPF'ers, they would only be getting off the bus with lots of other EPF'ers.
You have to be at least 14 to be in the SO now, officially. Until then it's Cadet Org

Rolotomasii

This immoral criminal cult is an awful stain. Like most stains, it will be wiped away but the damage done may be permanent. Look at these kids - they should be in school (and don't give me any of this LRH teach-in crap - it's a lie), making friends and learning about a REAL world that is out there, miles away from Xenu, LRH and all this incomprehensible bullshit tech speak.

How can parents do this to their children? How can they expose them to this destructive way of life? What do they hope to accomplish? Will sacrificing your child to some chicken-hawk organization like the Sea Org get you in the good graces of your "church"?

In my line of work I daily encounter situations where parents place their own children in harms way - expose them to alcohol, drugs, sexual and physical abuse and somehow, justify it.

Sadly and rarely do those parents see the evil they permitted to get close to their children. I wonder if the parents of the children in this story will ever realize that or are they so caught up in this fantasy world of scientology that they are either unwilling or unable to see evil.

Kim O'Brien
I feel kind of woozie. The children in the video break my heart ...those parents should be in jail . This is nothing short of child abuse . The independent scientologist who lost her son is STILL adhering to scientology ...jesus . There is something very very very wrong with this tech . If anyone ever came between me and my child ...it would be the last thing that they ever did but you scientologists seem to have no issue with abdicating your own children . Shame on you

Mimi The Great

My heart aches for these kids. They didn't have a choice, they were tag-a-longs to their parents choices and coerced into a contract that a child lacks the experience,maturity or mental capacity to fully understand. THIS is the most inhumane, sick and bone chillingly cruel things I've seen.

NOTseriously

Yes, keep digging, Tony!

If you watch the video, you will see several other young children getting off that bus besides the two in the photos. They are just little kids! But the look on that little boy's face makes me want to rush down there and love on him. How can a parent do that to their precious child? Sick sick sick.