Arnie Lerma just passed RIP Arnie.
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Karen#1
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Tony Ortega reports on Arnie's death
https://tonyortega.org/2018/03/18/n...a-shoots-and-injures-wife-then-kills-himself/
https://tonyortega.org/2018/03/18/n...a-shoots-and-injures-wife-then-kills-himself/
Karen#1
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Arnie was in severe back pain for a long time ~~ years and years and was on opiates for pain killers.
We exchanged much back channels. It is possible long duration Fentanyl effected him mentally. There is always collateral damage and severe side effects to drugs.
We exchanged much back channels. It is possible long duration Fentanyl effected him mentally. There is always collateral damage and severe side effects to drugs.
phenomanon
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I almost passed out. Shocking!OMG
Attempted to kill his wife (shot in her face) and then committed suicide
Shocking!
Warning: The story and photograph are vey upsetting! (so you may chose to avoid the descriptive)
OMG
Attempted to kill his wife (shot in her face) and then committed suicide
Shocking!
Warning: The story and photograph are vey upsetting! (so you may chose to avoid the descriptive)
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IWantOffThisTrain
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I'm glad Ginger wasn't hurt worse and I'm sorry Arnie was hurting so badly he felt he had no other options. While we don't know much I do think CO$ is what started his battle with paranoia and a contributing factor to his death.
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R.I.P. Arnie.
My limited interactions with him were always (for me) educational to say the least. He was a true colossus when it came to the load he carried against this toxic cult.
He was probably the only person I was sad to see banned from here - not that I had a disagreement with why he needed to be banned, but he always added a perspective based on years of both experience and a deep knowledge. But finding out just now that he suffered from not just chronic pain but an opiate dependency makes it easy to see why such a compassionate person could do and say the things that he did in these last few years.
I hope his legacy of chronicling the crimes and abuses of $cientology can be continued - it would be a fitting tribute to a person who did so much to expose what a poisonous creature Hubbard truly was.
My deepest sympathies to his wife and I hope her horrific injuries get the best medical attention and she is able to fully heal. And condolences to all those who were close to him.
He was truly a giant of our community, and I'm very sad that he won't be around to see David Miscavige finally get what He truly deserves.
My limited interactions with him were always (for me) educational to say the least. He was a true colossus when it came to the load he carried against this toxic cult.
He was probably the only person I was sad to see banned from here - not that I had a disagreement with why he needed to be banned, but he always added a perspective based on years of both experience and a deep knowledge. But finding out just now that he suffered from not just chronic pain but an opiate dependency makes it easy to see why such a compassionate person could do and say the things that he did in these last few years.
I hope his legacy of chronicling the crimes and abuses of $cientology can be continued - it would be a fitting tribute to a person who did so much to expose what a poisonous creature Hubbard truly was.
My deepest sympathies to his wife and I hope her horrific injuries get the best medical attention and she is able to fully heal. And condolences to all those who were close to him.
He was truly a giant of our community, and I'm very sad that he won't be around to see David Miscavige finally get what He truly deserves.
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Wherever he may be (if we even remain anywhere after death) I wish him a better journey ahead.
In life, he used his energetically inquisitive mind to extricate himself from Scientology.
And that same courageously probing mind helped him fight countless battles against the evil cult.
But, somehow (whether through drugs, the ravages of cult warfare, or otherwise...) at some point in time his powerful mind began to flip and turn against himself--until he lost that last battle.
It is hard to imagine that had he not chosen to join Scientology that his life would have ended in such tragedy. I have just seen this too many times, where someone is caught in Scientology's toxic wake, to not suspect that being somewhere in the cult's dark gravity didn't somehow contribute to pushing Arnie's life to this dark end.
I didn't read the articles. It's too raw to want more, at least at this point. Maybe his wife will have a statement at some point bringing much needed clarity.
Condolences to all that knew him and grieve his loss.
In life, he used his energetically inquisitive mind to extricate himself from Scientology.
And that same courageously probing mind helped him fight countless battles against the evil cult.
But, somehow (whether through drugs, the ravages of cult warfare, or otherwise...) at some point in time his powerful mind began to flip and turn against himself--until he lost that last battle.
It is hard to imagine that had he not chosen to join Scientology that his life would have ended in such tragedy. I have just seen this too many times, where someone is caught in Scientology's toxic wake, to not suspect that being somewhere in the cult's dark gravity didn't somehow contribute to pushing Arnie's life to this dark end.
I didn't read the articles. It's too raw to want more, at least at this point. Maybe his wife will have a statement at some point bringing much needed clarity.
Condolences to all that knew him and grieve his loss.
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lotus
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To Ginger who did not deserved such act of violence prepetrated on her...may she be given strenght, resiliency as well as be comforted, cared for and helped to recover , mentally, emotionnaly and physically from this trauma.
It's twice tragic to her.
Best thoughts!
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Gib
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I'm not going to get into the condolences, I truely agree, WFT happened, no matter, Arnie was a true warrior.
In arnie's video here, at the 13:46 mark or so, Arnie says the only part of scientology that worked was the lawyers.
I'd agree, If only existing members knew this. Arnie says DM knows this. I think he is right, only the lawyers run scientology, LOL
You da man Arnie, thumbs up my friend.
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programmer_guy
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I am shocked that Arnie attempted murder rather than just going through a divorce.
Anyway, his Scientology info website:
http://www.lermanet.com/
Anyway, his Scientology info website:
http://www.lermanet.com/
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1995 NY Times article about Arnie: "Dissidents Use Computer Network to Rile Scientology."
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/14/us/dissidents-use-computer-network-to-rile-scientology.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/14/us/dissidents-use-computer-network-to-rile-scientology.html
anonomog
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I can't excuse the choices people make while under the influence of any substance, but I have a better understanding now.
I was given heavy painkillers and things to block nerve pain after back surgery. When I got home I became increasingly paranoid. I became convinced that the house was crawling with spiders and the only safe place was in the bedroom. My husband had to do "spider" sweeps of the lounge and bathroom and even then I knew he had missed them. I was terrified to speak to anyone from work, despite knowing them all for years and they were nothing but loving and caring. I was simply scared of everything and everyone. I remember conversations and events from that period that I don't know if they were real or not.
It was such a huge change in personality, the fear of losing myself and my mind was greater than the fear of the pain. I stopped the tablets and got a much lighter paracetamol/codeine mix which took some of the edge off, but the fear and paranoia disappeared in days.
I never went through decades of constant pain and people react differently to painkillers. If someone is used to living in a general state of fear and anxiety, the escalation of it wouldn't be noticed so much. But rational decision making would definitely be affected.
I am very sorry that his wife and son had to go through this terrible tragedy.
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