Atack: What David Mayo told me about L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology, and the upper levels

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  1. Cat's Squirrel

    Cat's Squirrel Gold Meritorious Patron

    The Independents in the UK in the 1980s used to have a monthly magazine called "Reconnection", which David wrote occasional articles for. I can't remember all that much of what he said in them but in one of them he described the tribulations of having to deal with the CofS's attacks. He said that the one thing missing from the CofS's behaviour was love, compassion and politeness (etc). and that it wasn't fun dealing with a fanatical organisation which was convinced that whatever it did it was acting for the greatest good for the greatest number.

    In another one, he talked of his researches into the Tech; he didn't go into much detail, but he said that we needed to be far more realistic about what was practically possible in terms of the benefits people could expect to attain.
  2. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Where's Shelly?

    Actually there were a lot of us, maybe not percentage wise, but in total numbers there were lots of us that not only concluded he went off his rocker way back when but we made the decision to be done with it.
    I thought I'd watch from a safe distance by the late 70's and if facts changed I'd come back but what happened within a few years was I was so overwhelmed by mailboxes full of embarrassing Scilon promo, then my cousin became the mailman on my route and was telling relatives that I must still be into it so I had to use what my friend Keith from div 6 told me was the policy on asking off and I had to get ferocious in my insistence they cease all fucking mailings pronto.
    They did for 30 yrs only to revive the mailings when they got a tip as to this being me on the message board
    They even started calling me again for a while and my ex wife at her apartment.
    And as I've said it was in the photos of Hubbard that went out when he was trying to imitate a film director around the time they put out "The Power of Source" that I saw that he was insane and the product he had just put out was so fucking putrid that I resolved to get out.
    Of course this went hand in hand with all the times where I thought "what the fuck? Like all the times I saw that he had a tendency to talk out his ass and say things like "cancer comes from NOT smoking enough cigarettes". How man people kept up their nicotine habits because of his words only to die of cancer later?
    That and the constant price increases made me realize there would be no "cleared planet" and in fact it was for the best.
    By the late 70's a friend that was OT3 and L's complete said "I would like to see just one example of lasting case gain in Scientology, you need to just go live your life and forget about Scientology".
    So I did.
    I haven't spent much time looking back till I got active on the board which I did because I realized that my time "in" was still shaping too many of my perspectives and needed to be sorted out.
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  3. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    A prior confusion in the green vols. The LAW of ONE ain't the same as The Law of the Jungle.

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  4. cakemaker

    cakemaker Patron Meritorious

    Aren't there backups from back before ESMB switched software?
    Seems like those PM's had important historical value.
    Thanks for posting what you remember.
  5. Julie Mayo

    Julie Mayo Patron

    Please see: David describes this event in his own words.
    This has been on the internet for over 20 years, I believe.
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  6. Julie Mayo

    Julie Mayo Patron

    Please see:
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  7. Julie Mayo

    Julie Mayo Patron

    While I can't comment on much of the article, I can say it isn't entirely accurate. David never worked for AAC Palo Alto. From 1986-1988 he helped establish the IRM and was its first Research Director. He was excited about evolving the tech into something better. (OT 3 had no part in it.) I'm sure there are still people out there who have the original issues from the IRM.
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  8. cakemaker

    cakemaker Patron Meritorious

    How wonderful to see you post here Julie!!!
    First of all please accept my condolences.
    I knew David briefly in the late 70's and it was a very positive experience.
    Do tell us what is appropriate to ask you about and what is off the table. it Julie or Julia (as brought up in Tony Ortega's blog last week)?
    I really hope you can help fill in some historical holes.
  9. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    . . .
    My condolences, Julie. :rose:

    I can assure you David was very much loved and admired by many of the trained
    and experienced folks on this message board. I know by me especially much.

    In some of my back-channel phone chats with ex-Apollo people, he was always spoken
    about in the most kind and revered manner. What few posts he wrote on the message
    board were of enormous help and reassurance to people trying to find their way out of
    confusing life situations . . . after having spent years as true believers. He'll always
    be remembered as someone very special.

    Thank you for stopping by. :flowers:
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  10. Julie Mayo

    Julie Mayo Patron

    Thank you for your kind words. It is nice to be amongst friends, but I probably won't be a regular poster. I think to get an accurate perspective on historical events, one should look at documents/letters/recordings as contemporaneous to the events as possible. Oral histories are always interesting and offer depth, but they are flavoured with later experiences and education. It takes more work to dig up those primary sources, but for an accurate view of history I think it is worth it. They put things into context. I think without context a whole lot of history does seem pretty crazy.
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  11. Julie Mayo

    Julie Mayo Patron

    Thank you very much. I must say that both David and I were fans of Lisbeth Salander. She was very tough and very smart. Yes, David was very special and I was lucky to have been able to spend so many wonderful years with him. He never was robotic. He was a safe person to talk to. Plus he always had that wonderful Kiwi sense of humour, urge to stick up for the small guy and drive to innovate to make things better.
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  12. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    so do you think "no Clear, no OT" is correct?
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  13. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    Hey Jules,

    I moved my reply to a PM. Too much unnecessary info for the board.

    My heart goes out to you. I share in your sadness. I wish you courage.

    Love, :rose:

  14. Julie Mayo

    Julie Mayo Patron

    Thanks so much. I appreciate it. I think I answered your PM. I'm still finding my way around here, its been awhile.

  15. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    Julie Mayo:

    You might consider doing an interview with Chris Shelton or Aaron Smith Levin.
    I think it would be very interesting!
  16. Julie Mayo

    Julie Mayo Patron

    I've moved on from Scn. I think a lot of curious, brave souls have gotten involved in scn for all the good reasons. They were people that would dare go against social norms, in search of answers to life's most enigmatic and unanswered questions. I think some of the bravest people in the world have gotten involved. But I moved on as a great many of you have done.
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  17. Julie Mayo

    Julie Mayo Patron

    I think that David did go into some detail in his publications and lectures. Froom the AAC onwards through IRM and Causality I think he was very explicit in his ideas. I think he mapped the route out. But I also think his views were beneficial in their own right.
  18. wigee1

    wigee1 Patron with Honors

    Julie, Thanks for getting on line and talking about stuff,I have nothing but admiration for you and David , I too have moved on ,
    But its refreshing to have you here
    Grant Frires, aka Granitt
  19. Julie Mayo

    Julie Mayo Patron

    I'm glad.
  20. Hatshepsut

    Hatshepsut Crusader

    Bedtime here.

    Continue to be Fearless.

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