That is a very interesting differentiation Stratman. But it needs some clarification. As I have said, I am a trained auditor, CLIV. The materials on the courses have always seemed to be 90-95 percent wholesome and gentle. Of course, HCOPL "Keeping Scientology Working" was on every course and I cringed every time I read Ron saying "I don't see where democracy has ever given man anything but high taxes". Not only has it provided sovereign sanction for civil rights such as freedom of speech and worship (backed up by guaranteed access to firepower), The Falklands War was a strange anomaly as it marked the first and still only example of a war between nations with governments built on strong democratic forms. And then points 6-10 quickly lead to many abuses. But the tech was good and it has continued to be useful since I left nor do I know of any of the dianetic or CLIV tech ever doing any harm to anyone. But Scientology is both Red on White and Green on White and much harm has come from scientologists applying scientology policy. Does that harm come from scientologists or scientology? Personally I think it comes from neither but from jackasses who have no idea what auditing is all about and shouldn't be involved with the subject and these are a small minority while most students of Hubbard's work are decent sorts; men and women of good will. And these are the ones who get harmed by the jackasses.