"Blacks need Scientology and Nation of Islam to help resolve their conflicts."

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  1. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Minimum wage is one major cause of unemployment. All it means is that if your production is not WORTH $15/hr, then you remain unemployed. It means employers will either only hire people with demonstrated work skills (like retired people), automate so as to be able to get the job done with fewer people, or go out of business.

    The current trend is to automate. For example, fast-food places (where many teens get their first job experience), are switching to automated cashier panels:


    and robotic burger makers


    Meanwhile, you've all seen the trend in supermarkets towards self-service checkout.


    One of the bigger sources of job-loss for young black men, has been their replacement by illegal aliens. But don't expect black voters to switch to voting for the guy most likely to handle the illegal alien issue.

    ADDING: see Paul's "Robots taking over" thread for more details.
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  2. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Handing people tools they can use to improve their situation is a good thing.

    It is necessary, though, to give them an incentive to USE those tools to improve their own condition.
  3. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    I recall from my time in Scn, about how LRH went on and on about the vast network of powerful suppressives who were working ceaselessly to keep Scientology from succeeding. It kept us from thinking too much about other reasons why orgs weren't expanding, like maybe the admin and auditing technology was crap.

    Talk of "racial war" and "white supremacists" just serve to keep blacks apathetic about being able to improve their own condition through their own personal efforts, and is a disservice to them.
  4. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    That's a wide statement with a lot of ad hom. You don't even personally live in the US.

    You didn't quote any part of my post, Francois. Privileged? Seriously? Clearly you are judging me by false, pre-conceived ideas rather than by my actual statements.

    We grew up quite poor. I have numerous siblings, wore 3rd and 4th-hand clothes that didn't fit (when they weren't given to my cousin first) and began working at age 8.

    Race is not irrelevant. We all have roots and family history, however, it is completely irrelevant as any sort of yardstick to judge another.

    My full post is below. There is none of what you accuse in that post. Your pre-conceived judgemental attitudes toward me as a white person seem to have influenced you to make sweeping generalities. Perhaps if you saw me as an individual rather than just 'a white person', you would see my actual words and understand better:

  5. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    I remember that Hubbard had a bee in his bonnet about an organisation called 'The Council on Foreign Relations', which is still in existence. I can't recall specifically what it was this group was supposed to have done wrong, but I see no mention of it in Miscavige's utterances.
  6. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Yes. :thumbsup: To break through any despair, past failures, feelings of inadequacy or incompetence or anything else that makes a person not feel good about themselves. Pride and confidence. MLK accomplished that. America could sure use leaders like him today.
  7. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    Now that's interesting. Self-checkouts in the US have the 'weighbridge' on the right, while we in the UK have them on the left. So not only do you yanks drive on the wrong side of the road, you shop on the wrong side as well. :biggrin:




  8. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    I agree that families need to take responsibility for their size when they are incapable of supporting themselves financially, and of course I agree with your earlier comments that families are (usually) better off when they are whole, with both a father and mother raising children.

    But this is a very sensitive, delicate area. On one hand, you are dealing with a person's individual right to bear children. On the other, there is the question of whether one has the right to bear an unlimited number of children to be supported by government.

    IMO, a community approach may be the best approach, one that provides birth control methods and family education. Teens are at an especially crucial point in their lives where they need good local role models and direction, to set goals for themselves and have a support network where those goals are actually attainable.
  9. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Some couple wants to have five, eight, an even dozen kids AND they can feed, house, and educate them into becoming responsible, self-supporting citizens? Great! Have lots. Wife and I had several, ourselves.

    My viewpoint is that people have a right to have as many kids as they want, BUT should not have the right to demand that I pay for them.
  10. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    I agree in principle with what you're saying, Enthetan, but unfortunately, it's far more complicated than just 'I want to have more children.' There are a lot of sociological and psychological factors that bring this about.

    One of my relatives is a minority who became pregnant as a teen. We are close and talked a lot about it.

    She had no accomplishments or particular skills and did poorly in school. Becoming a mother made her feel she 'was somebody' and like she accomplished something important. The father stuck around, which is great, but they can't support themselves.

    Similarly, a man with no other worthwhile achievements or job may feel he is important by having a lot of children and put that pressure on his wife/girlfriend and praise her and show the most love when she is pregnant or having delivered a child.

    The same scenario happened in the poor white areas of England both before and after WWII.

    Of course parenthood is the most incredible feeling. Kids are awesome. Getting teens and adults to widen their scope of abilities and achievements to include worthwhile, valuable contributions to society and giving them the pride of the ability to support their own families is the underlying problem that needs to be addressed, IMO.
  11. cleared cannibal

    cleared cannibal Silver Meritorious Patron

    I have eight people working for me. None makes minimum but they also don't make $15/hr. If the minimum becomes $15 dollars they will be unemployed the next day. I might keep one to answer the phone who makes near that now. The only other alternative would be to raise the prices dramatically on my products/services which I don't think the market would bear. Granted I have come to the point in my life to where I don't really need to make a lot of money but I am not going to work for nothing to give some people a job. The only reason to employ any one is one of two reasons. To make more income or to makes ones life easier.

    Last year I had a single mother working for me that had 2 kids. She had had to quit because if all the benefits she was losing were taken into account we would have had to pay her in the $20-$25 range to equal them. I don't really blame her you got to do what you got to do, but it does go to show what level of benefits are available of the assistance programs. Falls right into your place where you say the minimum should be. The problem is our economy can't afford it. Being brutally honest we all are living above what we can afford our national debt shows this. If it comes between me starving and you starving to hell with you I am going to eat. I think if we all are honest with ourselves that would be most people's response, the trouble is most people can't be honest with themselves. They always covet what some else has and never look at themselves. Actually I think Scn does give some of a value in this regard but it goes to the extreme and causes one to blame themselves for everything. The key word being BALANCE hard to achieve.
  12. Helena Handbasket

    Helena Handbasket Gold Meritorious Patron

    This argument always breaks down on the fact that a woman who has kids she can't support is making a choice, but the KIDS she has are not making a choice and why should they be punished? I'd give you my solution to this dilemma but I don't have one.

    In the state where I was born this was called "workfare". But mothers staying home with small kids have ALWAYS been exempted.

  13. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    In the past, a single mom with a kid she could not support could put him up for adoption.
  14. Churchill

    Churchill Gold Meritorious Patron

    In Chicago, where liberal Democrat policies have held sway for decades...

    In Chicago, where the Honorable Minister (and Scientologist) Louis Farrakhan and the Reverend Jeremiah Wright are the most prominent advocates of the Black Lives Matter movement...

    there has been an 88% increase in murder so far this year.

    This is what passes for moral leadership in Chicago.

    This is what real moral leadership sounds like:
  15. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Good article! The rekindling and fanning of old feuds and violence by some groups to create even more racial tension are directly in opposition to Martin Luther King, Jr.'s own words, his own dreams and leadership, his legacy. In Martin Luther King Jr's own words:

    and one of my personal favorites,

  16. Ted

    Ted Gold Meritorious Patron

    From Peggy Hubbard, an outspoken black advocate for change and improving the black communities:

    Ray Lewis, the former NFL linebacker for the Ravens took a stand and delivered! He made an awesome commentary and observation regarding BLM. And, their flat out disregard of the black on black homicides across the country. How, they are so ready to pick up the so-called struggles against black people at the hands of white cops. While black men are targeting and killing each other. Ray Lewis came from the streets. He had run in with police. He made up HIS mind, to break away from the dispair and slave mentality. Yet we blame everyone else for our lack of achievement.....no problem there. No problem making funeral homes a cash cow. At the rate we are killing rach other? Happy hour and single mixers will be held at wakes! Seriously Shaquthia is up for grabs now that her pookie is gone.

    Why is it? We continue to play "victim" when all this will take is for black Americans to stand together, let these criminals know. We will not hold on to the slave mentality. Take responsibility for our actions. And, hold others accountable for their bad decisions. Stop trying to suger coat criminals [sp] as saints. And, using the past to justify our discontent with our future. When WE are the true cause. Slavery was evil. We ALL built this country. We ALL struggled. We ALL experienced racism. The difference in the experience? Is how you rise above the slave mentality and free yourselves. Or, remain in the ghetto of your making. Times a wasting....the next wake starts on 15 minutes.​
  17. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    You did in the next paragraph though.

    Planning mass murder as an "incentive" for social betterment is what totalitarian regimes and their thugs do.

    Wrong, disagreement isn't "just in the mood for an argument .... etc." That's a red herring and straw man, as well as magical thinking assumption of motive.

    If you read Enthetan's first post, he offers up his plan of premeditated killing of what he has deemed inner city undesirables. His subsequent answers when challenged are an ends justifies the means and make no mistake, he's doubling down defending murdering predetermined segments of the population. What's gob smacking is you ITYIWT (and others) are "liking" his justifications for human extermination. I reiterate with an addition, in light of Enthetan's master plan, you and the people who like your posts seem more interested in shaming judgmental condemning punishment (and murder) which is the opposite of empowerment.

    You all might want to rethink your positions while reexamining your moral compasses.
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  18. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Perhaps I could have better phrased it as "work or go hungry".
  19. ethercat

    ethercat Cat in flight

    Such hyperbole... :melodramatic:
  20. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    Is that the next step after the superbowl?
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