Boston - Part 2

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  1. myrklix

    myrklix Patron with Honors

    Alone or not? :D
     
  2. NoIdea

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    that's between me and HCO. ;)
     
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  3. Boojuum

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    SGoodwin (aka "badlose") after 40 years of training finally made it to Estates Manager! I suspect he's much happier at that post than the others he was coerced into. He has a wonderful sense of humor and what most of us didn't know is that he's a very good artist.
     
  4. NoIdea

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    Steve seemed like a good enough guy, but damn, so serious. Never saw him really smile much. Maybe a quick smirk now and again. Interesting that you call out his sense of humor, as it's the opposite that stands out for me. You probably knew him better than I did though.
     
  5. Boojuum

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    Oh yeah, the "serious" nature of Scientology. This, to me, was the death of the COS. I can mostly forgive the lying, the money grubbing, the over-selling, the slave-like conditions and empty promises to turn you into a superior person. When the upper management guys got "serious" and demanded crazy stats with crazy penalties, the whole place fell to shit. In order to survive as a staff member, you HAD to get serious or you'd spend a lot of time doing amends to rid you of your "theetie-wheetie", PTS-to-the-middle-class attitude. Steve, like most of the folks who managed to stay in, was only trying to survive given the parameters of the game.

    Perhaps it's a greater sin to pretend that the commitment and game of Scientology isn't "deadly serious". If one smiles and jokes while asking you to forgo a decent career is that better?
     
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  6. myrklix

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    For me this nails the difference between staff (you) and public (me). For me, as a public only, it was all that you are mostly forgiving that drove me away. That's because I never had to endure what you staff members had to. Again, just a comparison I'm making here. I'm grateful I was somehow able to deflect all the high pressure to join staff and even SO.
     
  7. bambino

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    Fizzle Wizzle Bum Crum
     
  8. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    @bambino How much do the staff at Boston Org get paid now (on the average)?
     
  9. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    I don't know that Boojuum's response would be typical of former staff members or not. But for myself, I absolutely do NOT forgive the lying, the money grubbing, the over-selling, the slave-like conditions and empty promises to turn you into a superior person.

    The over-selling of Scientology in my view amounts to fraud and should be criminally prosecuted as such.
     
  10. JackStraw

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    I was both (staff & public) and I'm on your side.

    Jack
     
  11. bambino

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    $100/week.
     
  12. Type4_PTS

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    That's much better than what I was averaging during the 80's. But still probably it's not so easy to survive in Boston on $100.00/week.
     
  13. myrklix

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    $100/week?!?! How many staff get this much? Also, don't execs get more?
    What I'm really curious about is what amount of gross income that is required to support this level of staff pay.
    And, is this income resulting primarily from new public or old public & staff re-doing whatever levels & auditing for the nth time?
    I'd be surprised to get a full answer but anything would be appreciated.
     
  14. NoIdea

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    In the 80s/90s, $30 a week was ok. $60 was a good week and $100 was like let's go party. So with inflation, yeah, about the same. For scale, an intensive was like $4k back then, full price. But most people would sign up for a training course they'd never actually attend so they could get "pro rate" $2k intensives. Or if you bought a bunch of intensives at once, you'd get a discount. What's the full rate cost of an intensive now?
     
  15. NoIdea

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    As I recall, staff pay was supposed to be 15% of the gross income, weekly. So if you have say, 20 staff at $100. That's $2k in pay, making the GI around $13k.

    Of course, staff pay wasn't always 15%. If there were other more pressing bills and not enough income, we'd get whatever was left over. If anything.
     

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