do they physically prevent you from leaving?

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  1. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    According to some stories I read,
    I consider the most difficult place to escape from is the freakwinds ship...

    No chance to leave from there and physical restrain and locking up people is a routine to break them...

    Stories of Valeska Paris and few others are almost incredible since its so weirdo!

    I"d say it is 100% on source (Hubtard) as you will be 'handled' by all means for you don't blow....like it was on the Appolo ship for adults and even small kids...who were physically restrained and punished...by other adults cultist, while some others ignored it to please and obey the pervert Guru....

    It was then like today..only a very few would try protect their fellow human beings to be abused
     
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  2. pineapple

    pineapple Patron Meritorious

    What sort of co-auditing was done in the RPF? Metered stuff, or just objectives, or what? ... or was the co-auditing something that was promised but never delivered, like so much in scn?

    I physically restrained someone from blowing on two occasions when I was in scn; and I wasn't even SO, just mission staff. The first time was a fellow staff member, and I was acting with others. We took her ID and locked her in her office. Second time was a public student and with him I really got physical, pushed and shoved and yelled ("tone 40").

    The first time, even as I was doing it, part of me was thinking "Am I really doing the right thing here?" The second time (a couple years later) I wasn't thinking in those terms at all. I just thought "I CANNOT LET THIS PERSON LEAVE!" and I would have done whatever was necessary to make him stay. Scary. One of the most brainwashed moments in my scn career.
     
  3. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    It sounds like you did just what Jeffrey Augustine's article at the The Underground Bunker was suggesting today:

    http://tonyortega.org/2016/04/01/au...logist-needs-to-learn-for-real-total-freedom/

    Give them written notice that you have left the Church and are legally no longer subject to the Church's judicial system.
     
  4. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    But it's best to mail the notice AFTER you are safely away and in a secure location.
     
  5. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    I suppose it depended on what class/grade auditors happened to be around at the time. Speaking personally, I was a class IV auditor when I was on the RPF and I did stuff like S&D's, green forms, plus rehabbing grades and all sorts of other review actions on the other RPF'ers.

    I myself was having doubts about whether or not I'd attested to OT I too speedily and was hoping to do the CC and OT I again, but they weren't buying it. Lol.

    Edit. I have to say the RPF in my day (1974) was a totally different proposition to what I read about on this MB now. We were known and highly respected (yeah, I'm not kidding) for getting shit done, and people generally kept out of our way and gave us no hassles. Yes, the food was crap and the accomodation (the boathouse at Stonelands) wasn't the Ritz hotel, but there was great camaraderie among the group, and I quite enjoyed it being away from the stress of 'statmania'.

    Other posters here who shared the experience with me still have nightmares about it to this day, but it was just water off a duck's back as far as I was concerned.

    Ironically, within a few weeks of having been 'rehabilitated', I left the SO and scientology for ever, and I've never looked back.

    Stratty - ex Saint Hill RPF bosun.

    Oh, and fuck you Miscavige.
     
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  6. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    If they aren't paying attention, you could go down to the city and pay to have it renamed Xenu Way. :hysterical:

    Mimsey
     
  7. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster More Skeptical Than You

    According to all reports I've seen, the RPF auditing program was changed entirely to running False Purpose Rundown (FPRD) forms under David "Darth Midget" Miscavige. FPRD is metered auditing. With DM's GAoT 3-Swing F/N's and other Technical alterations, this became a heavy Reverse Auditing rundown designed to cave in victims by convincing them that they were Basically Evil as their False Purposes could never be erased.

    This version of the RPF is surely among the most vile of D.M.'s many atrocities. :angry:

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
    email: warrior_mike2001@yahoo.com
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mhobson2011
     
  8. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    If you run a search for "RPF +audit" you will find a lot of references to sec-checks or "confessionals" oriented towards overts and withholds but I believe Expanded Dianetics was the main original process that was "promoted" to the crew as the rehabilitative component in general and the purported goal was to resolve Service Facsimiles/Evil Intentions. Karen is probably the most qualified person living either in or out to clarify this.

    https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Talk:Scientology_Sea_Org_Expanded_Dianetics_Lectures

    The List 1 that got so many people summarily sentenced to the RPF in the 70s was basically a list of Evil Ints against LRH or anything Scientology. It was a classic Salem type witch hunt with e-meters instead of dunking cages.

    My impression is that under the new regime the program became increasingly oriented toward breaking people in a way that they could be relied upon to not reveal Church secrets or discuss their experiences on the internet and therefore emphasized sec-checks to shift guilt and responsibility onto the subject instead of maintaining the original pretense of "therapy".

    You raise a good question. I would like to see more detailed commentary about the actual original processes that LRH based the program on, or as Indies would characterize as the "Standard On-Source RPF Tech". During the original AOLA renovations Capt. Bill Robertson made both EPF and RPF work 30 hours on and 3 off, regardless of the oft-quoted for public consumption work/study/sleep schedule so like everything else, the rules were made to be broken.
     
  9. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    This is consistent with my experience later 70s. The RPF were extremely competent, required little outside supervision and many members had specialized skills.
     
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  10. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    Exactly! :yes:

    A sucessful blow depends of time and preparation - till they don't know anything - you get more time and are a little bit ahead to physically distance yourself from the dogs let out :nervous:
     
  11. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    If only!

    I'm sure its one of those things where they send out notices of council meetings to everyone within a given radius.
     
  12. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Why change the name back? How about just appending the sign to end in prison of belief and add a large sign saying Prison to the one on the top of the building. Hell, then even Miscavige could feel at home with his gang of thieves.
     
  13. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Well yes, I have posted before that I was blocked from leaving by body thetans controlling the security guard at the top of the gangway of the unFREEwinds. Of course I was kidnapped to a different port in a different country and then permitted to leave as I was by then more docile and had been imbued with more of hubtard's ideas about freedom...

     
  14. AngeloV

    AngeloV Gold Meritorious Patron

    I witnessed first hand a guy who had voiced his intention to blow the SO (probably during a sec check) accompanied by a 'handler' all day long. This was at the QI at flag. The guy couldn't go anywhere without his 'friend' walking with him, sitting with him at meals and doing whatever. This experience molded my escape plan and no f'ing way was that going to happen to me. I kept my mouth shut and went about my usual business. I was under some scrutiny because I had begun my routing out form and was obviously persona-non-grata, but I just kept my head down and planned everything in secret, telling no one about my intention to blow. When that routing form 'disappeared' in the flag bureaucracy, I implemented my plan post haste and fled at 4am when the entire place was asleep. To this day, I am proud of the subterfuge and lying I got away with to GTFO of the SO...one of the best decisions of my life.
     
  15. Boojuum

    Boojuum Silver Meritorious Patron

    Great thread with great posts!

    IMHO if one is prevented from leaving or threatened with being confined or restrained the individual is traumatized. When it happened to me, my full trust in all things Scientology weakened. Although I returned to the orgs after that incident, I always had an escape plan and never put myself into a place where it would be easy to trap me. Of the many reasons I had to stay away from Scientology, being held involuntarily was near the top of the list.

    Then again, for Scientology to "work", one has to allow oneself to be controlled to a great degree whether getting to class on time, working for starvation wages or agreeing to a billion year contract. The meaning of "forced confinement" should extend to six-month sec checks or getting a Leaving FLB Routing Form signed.
     
  16. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation


    I had no idea you went through an experience like that Sis ... my hat is off to you, it must have been terrifying while it was all happening, just the thought of it is horrifying enough.

    :rose:
     
  17. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    anytime Scientology and the SO are afforded privacy and a place to act at their own will there are going to be criminal acts. It is as inevitable as the law of gravity. I guarantee that there are things that have happened on the Freewinds that were they to become known and proved would drop jaws in amazement at the stupidity of those involved.

    A ship is way too convenient a place to keep someone away from others and to disguise and cover up what happens.
     
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  18. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    If I was ever going to advise an SO member getting out, my rules would be:

    1) Leave your stuff. Clothes can be replaced. Your freedom cannot. Take only what will fit in your pockets: ID and other valuable documents. Trying to leave with a suitcase will GREATLY reduce your chances of success.

    2) Stop looking like an SO member. The uniform makes you stand out at a distance. Wear a colored t-shirt or something under your white SO shirt, and ditch the shirt once you are out of the area.

    3) If you cannot be sure that you will be out of the area before they call a "blow drill", then go to ground. Find someplace secure where you can take a nap for a few hours. If they don't immediately find you at the airport or bus station, they just don't have the manpower to stick around waiting for you, unless you are somebody hugely important.

    4) If you are female, consider hiding out at a bar (but get at least several miles from the base before looking for one). Let a guy buy you a drink and something to eat, and chat with him for a while.

    5) Avoid planes (unless you can be sure you will be gone before they notice you are gone). You have to travel under your real name, and they have travel agents who can look you up. They can then have somebody waiting for you at the other end.

    6) MOST IMPORTANT: Be ready to FIGHT for your freedom. If you see somebody approaching you commanding you to return, SCREAM out "Get away from me! Don't touch me! HELP! Police!". The "recovery team" will run and scatter.
     
  19. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Consider the long-in SO member. He or she has systematically had all outside contacts eliminated. It is routine for SO members to disappear for long periods of time "on mission", "went to Int", etc.

    If a long-in SO member disappeared, never to be seen again, it's likely nobody would ask questions. It's good for Shelly Miscavige that she has famous people on the outside asking questions about her whereabouts.
     
  20. phenomanon

    phenomanon Front door security.



    I blew The Apollo while she was berthed in Morocco. Down the gangplank with the Quatermaster right behind me, yelling at the top of his lungs. He'd have 'had' me if there hadn't been a Taxi on the dock right near the end of the gangplank, The taxi driver knew what was happening, and ripped outta there real fast. He helped me by driving to a Tangier Hotel, where I holed up for 3 days while the SO patrolled the streets. Then I took a taxi to the Ferry terminal, went to Spain and got on a train to Madrid, and then to the Airport.
    That was in 1971.
    I "reverted" and stayed away for several years. Then I routed onto tech training at ASHO.
    One would wonder what kept me going back, going back, going back "IN" for years and years. I wonder at it myself. And cringe.
     

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