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  1. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Yeh, shocker, isn't it? :omg: I'm sure you did check it out at the time, it wasn't your fault! The book came out in 1973, and it was a best-seller and changed psychiatric views on MPD. At the time, it was accepted as correct, but the research behind the book was locked away with the papers sealed and inaccessible until 1998, that's why it took so long for it to be exposed as a fraud. The NYT article I linked is a fascinating read. :yes:
     
  2. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    I did a search Sheila.

    It didn't said the story wasn't true.

    This was the true Story of Shirley Ardess Mason. But it seems that there was use of barbiturics (thorazine..yes thorazine...)
    and that drugs may have induced fantasies and hallucinations. But is was a true fact that Sybil had psychological problems and multiple personnalities.

    http://www.cbc.ca/books/2011/12/sybil-exposed.html


    On Wikipedia France:

    The psych, using thorazine and persuasion, implanted false memories within her mind...
    (We've known a guy like this...lol)

    But...

    Trad: In 2013, the editor Nancy Preston , who had been a student in Mason's art classes (Sybil) publish a book called ''after Sybil'' in which she reveals their correspondance as they became friends. Before she died, Mason (Sybil) confirms she was suffering of multiple personnalities.

    I believe this since it was a known fact taht when the book has been published, people living in the small town of Mason (sybil) recognized her. being the main character in the book. So..if this was all fabricated..how come people would recognized her ??? She had to move because of this ostracization.

    Interesting things are raised..as they mentionned the multpile personnalities disorder is very rarely seen. (even after included in the DSM)
    I am very interested in reading more...intruguing...

    My understanding is that there was a real true story of personnalities disorders..which was Schizophrenia
    but, the psych did some experimentations and then..it became a docu-drama...she wanted stuff to make a good story.
    (she probably enter in the Dr Hubbard valence to manipulate people with drugs and create them a very amazing time track and become famous about all of it) :whistling:)
    Which is why we all thought it was so weirdo (like a Brian de Palma movie)..especially the part with her mother molesting the child..we never forget that..scary...it was probably the thorazine + the dramatization of the psych that made it so weird and creepy...but I'll dig more though.

    As a side note, last week, I had a talked with one of my long time grils friend..we workes together in a field involving people, small kids and adulst struggling with both social and mental issues.
    We discussed one of the very small kid we both had to take care. My friend met with her recently...about 30 years later..
    At the time, she was mistreated by her mother and the father in law..about 2-3 years old.
    She was a very sad, unsocial, fearful, scared small kid..extremely difficult to communicate with her. She had not trust in adults and kids. She had been raised neglected and moslested (probably sexually molested). She would demonstrate no emotion - she was like a wild captured admimal.. I always thought she would have a tough life. Her youth time was tough though. But, surprisingly, my friend told me she evolved later in a beautifull happy adult... :duh: She said she is affectionate, smiling and laughing a lot..and sais that she lives a happy life ..Glad we were both...

    It apprears she doesn't rememer many disturbing issues of yer early life.....but she remembers one of our colleague, who mistreated her (a frustrate hating bitch) ..she was only 2-3 years old at the time..So we were surprised...I recall the story because we both speak out to have this person fired. It seems that she later evolved in a sain environement, completed her school, found a good boyfriend, (her neglecting narcissist mother died) she made good friends and built a happy life since she learn to have rewarding relationships and to build trust with other human beings.

    My point is that the early like conditions the developpement. but later, the environement may heal and re-conditionned a mind..reframe the thoughts so one could create rewarding relationships and open the door to embrace sain relationships and experiment joy of life. Even people with mental illnesses involving schizophrenia, when weel controlles with their med, not encountering debilating side effects, can live a happy normal life, as well as bi-polar. I know some of them. They must observed rules in their life to avoid any decompensation though and be on watch of any sign they must make adjustments.

    I've know some $cientologists who had a mental ilness that was under control..before they came in $cientology...and very very very quiclky, those people encountered psychotic breaks with auditing..rundown and their reading. When they got out of $cientology..things settled down and they could regain control.
    I too know people who had mental illness only in $cientology (psychotic breaks) and returned to normal when they left.

    I always though that the environement may create or exacrebate either ilness or wellbeing . The environement plays a major part in the healing process, especially true love and affection..

    Next week I'll ask a psych what's the thing with this book versus DSM and if the and her colleagues have already encountered this disorder.
     
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  3. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    The name is true, and some of it is true in some way I'm sure, Lotus, but the MPD diagnosis, the book, the doctor and treatment are exposed as a fraud. The original source book that your quotes are from (as well as NYTs and mine) are from the book, Sybil Exposed, by Debbie Nathan. https://www.amazon.com/dp/143916827X/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

    It is meticulously researched, with over 20 pages of referenced materials from Dr. Wilbur's notes, from Shirley Mason's prior doctor, with full family and other records.

    The book, Sybil Exposed completely exposes the book Sybil, the doctor, diagnosis and treatment as a fraud. Here are some reviews:

    "A compelling case of the creation, packaging and selling of this case of medical malpractice and fraud." - Science Magazine

    "Sybil Exposed isn't just an expose of a blockbuster that pulled the wool over 6 million reader's eyes, she asks deeper questions: Why did people love this book?" - The Oregonian

    "What forces cause a diagnosis like Multiple Personality Disorder to rise and fall within less than a generation? Debbie Nathan broke the story 20 years ago and now, in Sybil Exposed, she's finally putting all the pieces together. Unless we learn the lessons in this journalistic masterwork, we are doomed to fall victim to the next fad and the next caring healer who claims to have our best interest at heart." - Ethan Watters, author of Crazy Like Us

    Yes, Shirley Mason had psychological problems, but they did not become serious until her therapist (who she also had an intimate relationship with) recommended that the reason for it was that she had multiple personalities. The drugs used made things worse, made her more controllable and imaginative, by her own statement. There were numerous and repeated violations of psychiatric practices and standards, even for that time period. The wilder the stories, the more Sybil/Shirley was rewarded for telling them and for coming up with more personalities. When Sybil/Shirley tried to back down and told her it wasn't true, Dr. Wilbur then convinced her it was just her ego acting up. Keep in mind, Sybil/Shirley was in love with Dr. Wilbur and they lived together for years afterward.

    Interpretations of the incidents by her therapist and as described in the book were much different than reality, i.e., when she had her tonsils out, the therapist interpreted it as some weird rape incident, but documentation found later described all the people and instruments, time and procedure for the tonsilectomy.

    I completely agree that environment can exacerbate an illness or help in the healing process. Besides that, too much stress can break any mind, even the most disciplined, balanced, healthy minds. Everyone has a breaking point. Think POWs. Most people recover, like you said. Even from Scientology. Some of it is just bad habits, like bad thinking habits and bad social habits, not mental illness.

    I'd be very interested to know what your Psychiatrist thinks of MPD/DID these days, please let me know.
     
  4. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    Yeah! I agree with you on this. :yes:

    But his part may be half-ture..I don't know..since the last book edited by Nancy Preston in 2013 seems to pretend Mason herself admitted her she had multiple personnalities.

    I'd say the truth might probably be found somewhere between both versions.

    Actually, the was a story and a person who had pyshological problems, a psych who was abusive, used drugs on her and took advantage of her to build up an amazing story that would make her famous and get a lot of money... from persuing such abuse. :confused2:

    I'll check if we can find any interview of Mason or writings of Mason.

    ( as a side note..I am preparing for my Obscene dog trauma to be desensibilized next week...)
    :hysterical:
     
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  5. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    The book here : https://books.google.ca/books/about/After_Sybil_from_the_Letters_of_Shirley.html?id=IBphlwEACAAJ&redir_esc=y

    What does mean''intimate'' relationship ??
    Does it mean close friends or love relationship????

    It's been said Mason moved into her psych house , when she had a breast cancer.
    The psych was was struggling with parkinson disease.
    She took care of her till she died.
    The psych left her a poor 25,000$ as an inheritance
    Mason died 6 years later.

    **** Have you ever seen a patient , moved into her psych's house to take care of her ???
     
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  6. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    It's a psychologist Sheila..a psychologist! :biggrin:
     
  7. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Mason you mean. :shrug: Well, Shirley Mason was going to college and doing just fine, hadn't been to a therapist in 8-9 years and then when she found out her old therapist Dr. Wilbur was around, she came by to see her for what she thought would be just a few sessions and then got pushed into the whole MPD case and went on for years and years getting therapy from her and doing worse and worse.

    Dr. Wilbur was a woman, btw. It was a lesbian relationship. :omg: :giggle: Dr. Wilbur would bring her the electric shock machine to her apartment and give her shock treatment while in bed with her. I'm not kidding. Dr. Wilbur was crazier than Shirley, for sure.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/143916827X/ref=rdr_ext_tmb



    If it's yellow and waddles... QUACK! :biggrin:

    Mason, dearie, Mason! That one you have to spell rite or you won't get the write person! :coolwink:

    Yep, that's a pretty good summary. But that one review really got my attention so I'm going to read the whole book anyway.

    While you prepare your Obscene dog trauma, I am dealing with the Obscene Bitch Implant that keeps mine licking herself lately, but there doesn't seem to be a cure for the Spring trigger. Obscenities abound in my yard these days. :laugh:
     
  8. phenomanon

    phenomanon Gold Meritorious Patron

     
  9. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous


    Yes yes yes..sorry...I had Charles Manson in my head..it's as horrible :duh:
    And I will pay attention to spell write though!

    Lol :biggrin:

    Oh! Disgusting! ..I've just seen the old quack ... in a video.... :blush: (nice doctor and lover..electric shocks while in her bed)
    She appears at 6:00 min :unsure:

    [video]https://youtu.be/wRBZ0Kjisl4[/video]

    How the pseudo-therapist of a pseudo sexually molested kid by her mother , could have a love affair and intercourse with such a disturb and suffering person ??? Sucker!
    She shall have been locked in a room with LRH and both let to make their own research on eachother and treat their 1,1 tone with vistaril and thorazone. :melodramatic:

    Mason had a close friend all those years in Nancy preston who made a site about her. Here is an interview she gave, and the interesting thing is she mentions why Mason had denied those multiple personnalities. she provides the real context which makes sense.


    http://astraeasweb.net/plural/preston.html
     
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  10. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

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  11. EZ Linus

    EZ Linus Patron with Honors

    Hi lotus. I think you meant to quote me.

    I meant that I had a lot in common with with Shirley Mason aka Sybil, not Schreiber (I got confused there), but that was before I knew it was a phony sensation. And I still need to read more of the links you provided, I've just been busy working -- trying to beat the clock -- to get my manuscript cleaned up before Monday morning for an agency that requested it, which is good and hopeful news. My upcoming book is not entirely about Scientology, but I'd say at least half of it is, as it is weaved throughout a 20-year span. For that reason alone, I believe it will find a publisher. There's been a lot of interest.

    Anyway, I am most interested now in the DID spectrum and how it correlates with the bipolar chemical hand-me-down of my mother. Plus, the complex-PTSD and how it is "impossible" to have all these things in play at the same time, when as far as I knew, I certainly did/do had all three. I need to at least read up on that a bit before Monday because I talk an awful lot about my bipolar (and disassociative) behaviors in retrospect as I lived my life in Scientology and within Scientology subgroups, staff, relationships, social groups, etc. in my book. It all makes perfect sense to me, especially the schizo-effective aspect of my bipolar disorder, and the complete spacing out I did when in auditing sessions, or in handling things in ethics that pertained to very traumatic events that happened previous to my involvement to the cult -- like the idea of having to take responsibility for "being there" or recalling earlier similars. All that was disassociated from me just to cope with it.

    There's also been a way my therapist (Ph.D), not my psychiatrist, has been treating me in regards to the whole DDNOS thing. She doesn't look at these "parts" as split personalities that are unaware of each other, they are just all me, parts of me, just as there are insecure aspects of people and confident aspects too. "Hats," like Sheila said. It's as simple as that. I am not being treated as if I have MPD.

    My therapist and my psychiatrist are having a phone meeting tomorrow and I am very curious as to how this all is going to go! I really wonder if they are going to battle out the diagnoses.

    It's taken me a really long time to get where I am, and maybe I'm still a long way from happily ever after, but I know I make way better choices now. Now there's better people in my life (healthier, saner, etc.), I have a completely different world view, which in turn gives me a different personality in many ways (because I believe there definitely is a cult personality), and now I live in the real world, in real reality, where there are knowns and unknowns, and I like it that way. I took me almost forever to even accept my diagnoses (my physical disability and my mental illness), obviously, because I never believed they even existed. It was a hard pill to swallow -- literally! ...Psych meds?! Are you kidding me? But I've willed everything of value in my last Will and Testament to CCHR!... Believe me, it was hard.

    Blah blah blah...Back to work.:melodramatic:

    :wink2:
     
  12. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    To clarify what I said earlier, according to DSM-5, Bipolar, Borderline, Histrionic, etc. are personality disorders, so it would be technically inaccurate for any person to be diagnosed as two or more of them at the same time. PTSD is a syndrome, so (technically) can occur at the same time. There are combination disorders though, like BPD-PTSD or PTSD-DDNOS. This link might be helpful, and the website is a support group for those who suffer from posttraumatic and dissociative disorders as ESMB isn't really set up or qualified as a medical or psychiatric support group. https://www.igdid.com/h62-did-spectrum

    Diagnoses can take years with a lot of different physical and mental tests and scans and different psychiatric and medical professionals involved. It's best to leave the diagnosis to your personal professionals, rather than try to figure it out yourself.
     
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  13. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    Sorry EXLinus,

    The was a problem with the quote code so I misunderstood it was Phenom who said so.
    But what you mentionned about the ''$cientology personnality'' is an admitted fact among many of us.

    AFAIAC

    $cientology is a collective induced mental illness (distorted realtity, paranoia, fear of the outer world, folie des grandeurs, sticking to false pseudo past lives, strong dependance on pseudo-therapy auditing, and coerced confession of things that never happened...)

    But usually, when the person is out of the cult, and get out of the mindset it can return to normal but takes time to reframe the thoughts with appropriate ones. A pre-existant mental condition may then be less prone to be exacerbate.

    You are correct about the diagnosis. The person must be diagnosed one disorder . The professionals who you consult are certainly able by now to provide with the appropriate diagnosis. But whatever they come up with, support groups may do wonder too.
     
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  14. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Thanks, Lotus. I made a mistake, though, on my original post, which I corrected. DID is not a personality disorder, it is a dissociative disorder, different category.

    We both studied these so long ago! I majored in Psychology and Sociology with a Bachelor of Science years ago. I remember that personality disorders are set, unlike syndromes, so you can only be one personality disorder at a time.

    It used to be so fascinating to me when I did my degree. Now it just gives me headaches. Over to you, darl'. :carryon:
     
  15. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    :thumbsup:

    Thanks, Lotus. This is a French psychiatric variation, so I wasn't familiar with it at all. It was unfortunately dropped out of DSM-5 and I think that was a huge mistake. It's spot-on for cult diagnoses and completely fits Scientology.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_à_deux

    (PS: I'm taking a break from ESMB for a bit. I'll check in again some time down the road.)
     
  16. lotus

    lotus autonomous rebellous

    I didn't made a degree in either psychology or sociology. It just that psychology, psychopathology and methodology of observation, behavioral psychology were all part of my degree in another field. Which actually I didn't completed. (disliked all the aspect of naming and treating all differences as illnesses)
    Switched to something else later, when In $cientology. (Ethics dept was verry happy I got out off psych lines and came back to my senses..lol)

    Ciao! :coolwink:
     
  17. Innominate Dude

    Innominate Dude No Longer Around

    I have not personally participated in EMDR, but have had to look into it and the results in particular cases as part of my professinal life, which is not as any kind of practicing psychologist.

    There is considerable debate about whether EMDR essentially recapitulates some older therapy ideas while dressing it in somewhat unprovable brain mechanics speculation. The debate centers around ideas of:
    - (1) extinction regimes,
    - (2) incompatible activities that make a response be displaced by a stronger activity, and
    - (3) the old therapy tactic called "relaxation response".

    On that last point, it should be noted that the EMDR eye oscillation mimics a very old hypnotic induction technique. (Ever see in movies a swinging watch on a chain be used to induce a hypnotic state?) Hypnotic techniques tend to boil down to two basic modes: encourage a very focused relaxing activity or encourage a very focused alert or hypervigilant state. In both cases it is the extreme focus that produces the "trance", or altered state of consciuosness. People who are suggestible tend to take the effective alteration of their state of consciousness as proof that the party inducing that state is authoritative, greatly augmenting their suggestibility towards that source. In general, there is no real proof that suggestibility and state of consciousness are linked other by than the mechanicsm just recited in the last sentence, though in popular imagination, and the imagination of some overly hopeful psychologists, some altered states involve inherent greater suggestibility.

    An extinction regime in behavioral psychology occurs when a particular stimulus is presented but the usual response it arouses is prevented, which leads to a decrease in that probability of that response. There are two ways of preventing the usal response: by making that response dependent on an event which doesn't occur or by encouraging a stronger inconsistent activity to prevent the usual response.

    The first kind is typified in one of the more gruesome university experiments done at Stanford. A dog was placed in a box which had a floor which could be electrified. It was given extremely painful shocks for one instance or conditioning trial, which was sufficient as a Pavlovian conditioning regime that the unconditional stimuli of extreme electric shock produced association with the condtioned stimuli jumping, howling and acting like death is imminent. Sensible, really. Then a Skinnerian "extinction regime" was pursued by forcing that dog back into the same box, which was never again electrified at all, as many times as it took for the learned behavior of "going nuts due to prior associated trauma" to eventually disappear and leave merely a calm (or calmish seeming) dog. Most university ethicists insist that this experiment is never to be replicated. That they proved once that eventually the dog will just stand calmly in the box after enough "extinction" trials does in fact extinguish the learned response ought to be enough. The usual response depended upon someone pressing a button which electrifies the floor of the box, and by controlling that variable, extinction eventually occurs.

    The second kind of extinction involves exerting control over physical processes that are readily controllable: muscle tensing or breathing. An example of this is where a marine combat veteran became conditioned in a post-traumatic stress way to all the particulars of a beach invasion, which in his case included the sandy beach and a landing craft in particular. He was at a point where he might have to quit the beloved USMC because of uncontrollable anxiety whenever presented with a landing craft on a sandy beach. This is often in the USMC. He was instructed to approach a landing craft on his base until he felt distress, then proceed with deep breathing exercises he'd beend taught until he felt calm at that distance from the landing craft on a sandy beach. If necessary, he could lay down and perform "progressive relaxation", which is a very old and heavily validated means of inducing relaxation by progressively tensing all the muscles of the body and then releasing this. Eventually he returned to his ordinary state of mere normal anxiety about things having to do with gruesome death as an occupational choice, so it was a well documentated instance of successful use of the "extinction regime" in a case about as gruesome as the Stanford dog case in some ways. Note that while doing this active process of forcing conditions incompatible with anxiety (via the empirically proven relaxation techniques) he was also being presented with the first type of extinction regime involving the Stanford dog experiement. There were no exploding shells, dying people wailing in a horrific way, and other things typical of over-the-beach invasion that produce stress gonig on. No one was pressing the "hellish mayhem" button while he was doing this "systemic desensitization" procedure.

    Many people early on in the PTSD community thought that sufficiently disciplined application of these extinction regime experiences ought to solve the matter. In fact a great many post trauma therapy applications do seem to prevent a PTSD lasting over years, but not everyone gets this desirable result from straightforward extinction regimes. Some argued that human minds have a way of spreading or generalizing covert stimulae, the thought process creating new associations independently of the actual event that first gave rise to the response of distress, and thus you get a situation like the hydra-headed monster where cutting one head off means several grow back in its place. That is why assorted psychodynamic therapies rather than the pure extinction regimes are tried if the person is not effectively de-PSTDed by time proven extinction regime tactics.

    Now this whole eye osciallation bit is very interesting, because it seems to be involved in a very fundamental brain activity, a powerful one that seems to displace less powerful brain activities. People who have basically no discernible awareness or cognitive functioning left will often nevertheless oscillate their eyes back and forth horizontally. A very good example of this that might be on Youtube is Terri Schiavo. She was married to an asshole Scientologist who wanted her to be slim and have a firm body, etc., to stay married to his asshole Scientologist ass. She developed an eating disorder and incurred the heart attack that often comes with that. She was out before resuscitation long enough to have extensive brain damage. Her husband didn't want to pay with his own money for her maintenance and launched a famous "right to die" court battle for his wife that he'd essentially driven to death by being an asshole Scientologist entilted to an "ideal scene" adolescent bodied wife who is middle aged, and who now didn't want to pay for his own misconduct, as is usual with Scientologists eagerly gonig up the bridge to be godlike and above it all. Human decency most of all is what they so often seem to want to be above. Anyway, you can see in her forensic examinations that famous eye swinging that endures even when there is otherwise near brain death. A doctor tries to get her to fixate her gaze upon a balloon to prove she is not merely swinging her eyes back and forth horizontally.

    EMDR seems to employ, then, a chosen act which appears to be able to so powerfully entrain brain functioning, at a very primary level, that more complex activities like feeling anxiety or distress are displaced. Something incompatible with that more delicate and fragile activity of feeling anxiety overpowers the usual response, thus the usual response is prevented, and that is precisely what an extinction regime is.

    The whole point about traumatic memories being different in storage and function? Many people responded to Hubbard's DMSMH by trying to explore traumatic memory facts and got consistently negative results. There are anecdotes and stray papers arguing that there is a different memory system for traumatic events, but the empirical validation is lacking.

    For my money, then, EMDR is merely the old familiar and empirically validated "extinction regime" brought about by one new method: eye osciillation is added to the tactics of either relaxation breathing or "progressive relaxation" by muscle tensing. I think the answer is unrelated to Scientology techniques, mostly, and doesn't need any of the fancy EMDR proposed window dressing about brains processing traumatic events differently. EMDR results might perhaps benefit from an old hypnotic induction technique result: that if you alter your state of consciousness by obeying the hypnotic inductor, you tend to be suggestible to his/her idea that this will help solve your problem.

    TLDR?? Google "extinction regime", "progressive relaxation", "relaxation breathing training", and "relaxation response".
     
  18. EZ Linus

    EZ Linus Patron with Honors

    Sorry about all the radio silence on this thread. There are a few reasons for it; I'm busy writing, and also there has been things said here that have slightly impeded on my actual therapy sessions -- and that's not anyone's fault. I'm just saying, it's actually good for me to bring new questions up to both my therapist and psychiatrist about mental illness in general. And I am always learning too, about myself and what I see as applicable and or presented in abstracts for the sake of theory, ya know? There's so much information here.

    Anyway, this business about not being able to have two personality disorders at the same time I do not feel is true. Thousands of people have both bipolar and borderline personality at the same time. There are many "diagnoses" that can co-exist concurrently, but I think bottom line, it does not matter. I think what matters is how the person/patient is being treated and if they are improving. There are a lot of interconnections with EMDR and the treatment of the DID/DDNOS/MPD spectrum, or any PTSD/trauma-related syndromes. Maybe EMDR with the lights and the buzzies didn't work for me, but there are many other parts of that model that do work for me. I think I mentioned the Leavening, and using your MDP "parts" to essentially calm and heal yourself, it is ultimately the same model as when you are gathering up your "team" before you begin your EMDR session, if that makes sense: your safe place, your comforting person, etc. I use this kind of model (in a different way) with my therapist and it does the same thing. It's been working. I can get more into it, but that's about how much I'm willing to share.

    I have the "diagnosis" of DDNOS as far as that aspect goes and that is interchangeable with C-PTSD. However, I also have bipolar, which also runs in my family like wild, my mother, her mother (on and on), and I've had some of the schizo-effective features of this too -- since I was very young. My mom too, and she also had borderline personality disorder. My therapist has a "theory" that all this stuff could be caused by trauma, but my psychiatrist won't agree with that. Still, at least both agree with treating all of it with both meds and therapy. And as long as the treatment is giving me some relief, then all good, right? I don't think there is a magic pill or a fast track though.

    I've been out of Scientology for 17 years. That's a long time, and I have come a long, long way too. I even have a lot to give in terms of all the things I have done to get to stable plateaus, but there are always set backs. That's just life. Parents die, money crushes you, illness takes over, all kinds of big life changes can happen and your perspective changes all over again, even just with age. It feels like you're starting from square one, but you're not. You get to keep whatever wisdom you've gained.

    Anyway, I'm blabbering now, but I was just surprised that this section of the forum was not more hoppin'. We should share with each other how we got where we are now.
     
  19. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    No worries, EZLinus, good to hear from you.

    This may help clarify:

    As I said earlier, you should stay with what your personal, professional, licensed therapist/psychiatrist tells you and stop trying to diagnose yourself. Also, please refer your questions to him or her as well. Like I said earlier, if you have questions about your personal treatment or diagnosis, ESMB is not the right place for that and members here are not authorized to give you professional advice on this forum. The following forum is a good forum for discussion of personal psychiatric issues and questions about different diagnoses: https://www.igdid.com/h62-did-spectrum

    There are also online college classes available if you want to make a study of it.
     
  20. EZ Linus

    EZ Linus Patron with Honors

    Wow, why, where, how did you get the idea that I am diagnosing myself??? OR, that I am wanting people on the forum to? I am simply SHARING (which I am absolutely seeing is not safe to do here) what my Ph.D/PhY.D/Licensed EMDR therapist AND my psychiatrist have told me. I am not making a study of anything.

    Thanks.
     

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