Ex Hawaii/Riverside Staff

Discussion in 'New Member Introductions' started by pineapple, Jul 14, 2012.

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  1. Scout

    Scout Patron

    Funny thing about the ufo /restaurant, when you put your drink down for a few minutes it moved away from you.
     
  2. pineapple

    pineapple Patron Meritorious

    I believe Trey had some sort of connection with Hawaii, and possibly with the mission, that predated Florian. That mission had been there for years. I know for sure it was at that location, 1282 Kapiolani, since at least 1970. Once we had a guy (who seemed a little "off") walk in off the street and tell us he'd become a Grade 0 Release there in 1967, so maybe even before 1970.
     
  3. Bob55

    Bob55 Patron

    Interesting about Trey. While 1970 seems like a forever ago now, back in 1976, when I started there, it wasn't all that long. I don't recall if I knew the start date or not. I do recall running into, while disseminating, numerous people who had been to the mission and to another location near the university. People seemed to be ok with the Kapiolani mission and some stating they had gotten auditing and their lives were good. Most said the university location was sort of strange, so not sure what was happening there. I talked to two people who insisted they had been audited by Hubbard (on the mainland), one saying he had gone clear. Still so strange to think I walked the streets talking to people. At least the weather was nice, and sometimes I'd go for long walks.
     
  4. pineapple

    pineapple Patron Meritorious

    I once ran into a guy who said he'd gone sailing and played chess with Hubbard. I wonder if it might have been this guy.
    https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/interviews/robford.htm

    I don't know if you've read Bare-Faced Messiah. I recommend it highly. I'm sure you can find it online.

    In your scn peregrinations, did you ever run into Percy Wong or Linda Blatt? They were one-time Hono Mission public, who did the HSDC at the mission and then went on Hawaii Org lines. They were just leaving the mission about the time I got started there. I did Grades 0-IV on both of them during my IV internship at Hawaii Org (in Aina Haina). They were both also Class IV by that time. Linda I know made it pretty far up the Bridge. I don't know about Percy.
     
  5. So you are saying that there was a large positive aspect about your involvement with Scientology? That you don't wholly regret becoming a member?
     
  6. pineapple

    pineapple Patron Meritorious

    I don't know if I'd put it that way. I think I was one of the lucky ones. I spent relatively little money on it, never joined the Sea Org, and left after 7 years instead of 20 or 30. I was only 30 years old when I left and I hadn't burned all my bridges behind me, so the transition back to the "wog" world wasn't too difficult.

    There is some good in scn, mostly in the beginning. You have a big win in the beginning, so you want more, but as you go on there's less and less. After a while you're just hypnotizing yourself into believing you're still having wins. In scn you are always rehearsing your wins and applauding (literally) other people's wins.

    The best thing in scn is the Comm Course, usually the first course people do. Unfortunately I can't even recommend that, because the scios will immediately be after you to do more, and they can be VERY convincing. They also lie like mad and never bat an eye, because they believe -- truly believe -- that YOU MUST DO SCN. YOU MUST GO UP THE BRIDGE. And they will do and say whatever they think is necessary to get you to do that.

    You also realize, after you've been in scn for a while, that the ultimate goal of scn is TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD. Yes, as crazy as that sounds, it's true. Fortunately, I don't think they have much of a chance of doing so.

    I strongly advise you not to have anything to do with scn. If you think you need therapy, there's other, much better therapy. If you're looking for enlightenment, there are lots of other GENUINE spiritual practices that aren't there just to take your money. I would suggest you look into those.
     
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  7. Hi
    Thanks for your informative reply to my questions. I really wanted to join Scientology for a period in my life; but I backed out of it after some initial exposure. Your remarks about "hypnotising yourself into believing that you are still having wins" was illuminating. I am still kind of perplexed about the way that the people who I encountered in Scientology seemed to be intelligent, the sort of people who I would think that I would want to know; I find this hard to reconcile with what I have heard about the darker aspects of the church.
    Sheila Lindsay Day
     
  8. pineapple

    pineapple Patron Meritorious

    You're welcome.

    My impression of the majority of scngsts was the same as yours. Most people imagine that you must be stupid or nuts to be in a cult, but that's not the case. You can be quite intelligent and still get taken in. As for "the darker aspects," even good people can do bad things when they believe they're doing it for a higher purpose.
     
  9. Alien3

    Alien3 Patron

    It is initially very welcoming and friendly. I would be struggling to find a handful of people in it who I would not consider to be intelligent, hardworking and competent. They are constantly promoting positive literature such as the ' Way to Happinness ' booklets. So of course newbies come to believe they are dealing with a highly ethical organisation who vehemently want to save the planet. There is some truth in this ... but it is not until the 'penny drops' which may be months or years later that people see it really is a complete load of twaddle geared into playing into the hands of a pscyhopath. Or however you would like the describe LRH, now deceased.
     
  10. Isn't the expression "when the nickel drops"? lol. Speaking of people who seem to be alright, I find that I enjoy this chatroom; the people here strike me as lively, and willing to say what is on their minds. I hope that you don't mind if I join in some conversations. I am a fairly articulate person.
     
  11. Alien3

    Alien3 Patron

    Haha! It is when 'the penny drops' in Australia. Well there were pennys as currency when I was a child. Welcome to the site.
     
  12. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    In my experience, most people who got involved were young and naive when they started.
    The initial stages of Scientology fits within their "world view", (i.e. Weltanschauung).
     
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  13. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    That depends on which side of the Atlantic ocean you happen to be living on.

    Why should anybody mind if you join in, that's what this place is for!

    BTW, I'm the grammar nazi around here at the moment. If you want to criticise people's use of English you'll have to wait in line. :biggrin:
     
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  14. Thanks for welcoming me! I was wondering if this was something of a closed support group; my actual experience with Scientology was so brief I didn't know if the classification "former Scientologist" would apply to me.
     
  15. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    This 'group' is open to anyone; there are many who frequent this board who have never been 'in' scientology at all but who contribute nevertheless, so whether the classification 'former scientologist' applies to you or not, you're still welcome.
     
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  17. phenomanon

    phenomanon Canyon

    Don't be talking about your "Weltanschauung" on here! :flasher:
     
  18. Aww thank you. I hope that I can contribute something.