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  1. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    I'm not in the least interested in Terril's version, what my views on that are I'm going to keep to myself for the present. No, what I'm interested in is (and I know I've droned on and on about this) HOW? How do you see without eyes, hear without ears, smell without a nose? OK, you can do it. Please tell me HOW!!!
     
  2. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Where's Shelly?

    What did you experience during the transition in and out again? A temporary blackness or dizziness as you let go of your body perceptions?
     
  3. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    Just a change in location and viewpoint. I didn't let go
    of [or lose] my bodies perceptions
     
  4. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Where's Shelly?

    OK so then what were the combined perceptions of both bodily and exterior perceptions for you, and how did you divide yourself to have both separate and differing perspectives at once?
     
  5. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    That appears like the pretty standard deal. Did you observe your body as being separate from it?
     
  6. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    It was WiFi DG. The brain transmits the perceptics through empty space from the body to the thetan using transverse waves otherwise known as electromagnetism. It's a no-brainer!
     
  7. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Here's another thing I've always pondered.

    A thetan is supposed to not be located in space or defined by MEST...there is no up, down, right or left, right?

    So the body has forward looking eyes because of their location in space...in this instance, your freaking strat head, strat.

    If a thetan could factually exteriorize why would it then experience sight as a body with only a foward facing view?

    Why wouldn't it "see" not only in full 360 degrees but a complete spherical view simultaneously?
     
  8. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Where's Shelly?

    For all I know, or what little, that could well be the case!
     
  9. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    The more I looked at that after I'd written it the more I thought to myself, '"You know what stratty you asshole, you just might be on to something there." :biggrin:
     
  10. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    It would be fun to continue this discussion, but since I don't believe in 'thetans' there's not a lot I can seriously contribute.
     
  11. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    The same. But it was just a change of viewpoint
    and I didn't divide myself whatever that means. When
    exterior everything just seemed further away, but
    otherwise the same. However the perception seemed
    from my eyes.
     
  12. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Where's Shelly?

    Oddly, at least compared to my brothers and various relatives I have keen recollections going back to being in the crib as a baby to some extent anyway. This is when I have assorted memories of being out and about. When I was in front of my mother, grandmother and cousin in the adjoining room from where my young body slept in the crib I had only non-body perceptions, I even saw that I had some sort of mostly transparent plasma body that became slightly illuminated by the black and white TV they were watching while I hovered and danced in front of it. Only my cousin could see me and he was scared shitless as he was off to the side and wasn't looking through me to the TV like the others.
    The time in kindergarten I was brought back to my body against my will by guides, let's call them, and saw my body looking up at me from 5 feet above before they slammed me back in and fixed whatever gateway I had been able to get through.
     
  13. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Where's Shelly?

    Yeah, you may have hit on the truth behind one of the many mysteries of this realm. And it would seem that we are not the only ones picking up on the broadcast!
     
  14. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    I'm only joking DG. Auras, ESP, Past Lives, God, Exteriorisation, I leave all that stuff for old Mimsey. When concrete, irrefutable PROOF of just one of those is delivered I'll think again.
     
  15. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Where's Shelly?

    Yeah I know, that's why I rarely talk about it. I experienced it without there being any way to prove it. But those experiences lead me to Scientology where they lied about their ability to restore such abilities, they couldn't and can't. Why the "Be three feet back..." drill worked on me the last time I ever got out back in 72 was because the guy slipped it in during a regular conversation about God knows what but it hit me and bang I went out the back of my head and it scared the fucking shit out of me, in their terms a total loss of havingness and I didn't know that I could get back in, though I did after maybe only a few seconds and I've never been out since. Hours spent doing TR's will lock you down into you head like nothing else will.
     
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  16. TomKat

    TomKat Patron Meritorious

    In case this is a sincere question: There is a theory of various subtle bodies, one of them being the etheric body which is tuned to the physical realm; unlike the astral body, which is tuned to the astral realm. So it's not a matter of not having eyes to see, it's a matter of exteriorizing the etheric body from the physical body.
     
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  17. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    Yes, I had that same experience.
    However, I don't consider that experience as being "exterior" from the body.
    It's a visual distortion (brain effect).
     
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  18. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Where's Shelly?

    [="programmer_guy, post: 1190351, member: 33"]
    Yes, I had that same experience.
    However, I don't consider that experience as being "exterior" from the body.
    It's a visual distortion (brain effect)


    Yes, I had that same thing going on for some years in my early 20's where I always felt like I was floating just a little ways out of my head. I noticed that when I walked I no longer felt the jarring in my head when I walked. I really do feel that I'd gone numb in the head from doing TR's.
     
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  19. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    I couldn't be more sincere, but your answer hasn't really got me any further towards understanding how one processes incoming stimuli like vision, sound etc. without the aid of sensory organs and a brain to organise it all. I don't mean to sound rude or disrespectful, but saying "it's a matter of exteriorizing the etheric body from the physical body" doesn't provide me with the detailed information I'm looking for.
     
  20. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Where's Shelly?

    If I may, this etheric body seems to be an extremely sticky thetan suit you become convinced to try on and then find you can't get out of it and that suit is tuned into this physical realm and through it you see and experience this realm like it's some kind of a radio receiver and that is the thing that gets you stuck in a head. It just won't unbind with the body once it gets situated until death or later... I only saw it once when I was out and in front of a TV and the black and white rays illuminated it scaring the shit out of my cousin off to the left from me watching the TV. My grandmother couldn't see it at all and I sensed that my mother thought she was imagining it or it made her think of me and she got lost in thought, but she didn't react at all.
    I gotta add that it was a tremendously vivid experience that, unfortunately, there's just no way to save the experience on video to show others.
    Plus I have to say that doing TR's makes you reinforce "being there in your head", it just locks you in all the way. You get in Scientology to rehabilitate your ability to exteriorize and go places, instead you become solid as concrete in your skull and never to budge again.
     
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