Type4_PTS
Diamond Invictus SP
No wonder he later wrote this (on Feb 7th, 1965).Drugs and alcohol were how he "rose above the bank."
"We will not speculate here on why this was so or how I came to rise above the bank."
No wonder he later wrote this (on Feb 7th, 1965).Drugs and alcohol were how he "rose above the bank."
I read somewhere that more recently, the OTVIIs at Flag were saying stuff like "Exteriorise from the body? Why would you want to do that?" So I'm wondering, what is the current line that is being taken on OT abilities in the Church? Are they watering it down? Sidestepping the whole issue? What are the abilities that are being discussed around the OT levels now? Is it all just about "I'm so much more able to make money to donate for my next IAS Status"? Are people even bothered about their OT levels now? Or has it just become an IAS status club?
I'm thinking that an effective way for Scientology OTs to side-step the OT powers issue is to tell themselves (and others) that it's about being EFFECTIVE. Getting things done. And in the Scientology money environment, that would translate into increasing their income. If you make it about increasing your income, improving conditions in your life, etc, then there's no need to even mention exteriorisation from the body, etc. So I'm wondering if that is what they are doing now, instead of focusing on magic powers.On a side note - a thing that comes to my mind everytime I think of OTs making excuses for having no superpowers. "Playing games" is pretty high on the tone scale actually and I always wonder whether despite of all the double-think and other lame excuses some witty apprentices to OT, or finished OTs (= people having done the CoS courses, not superhumans) take this as a reason why it actually should work and why it would not be a bad thing to try out the superpowers.
You know, a Christian in that situation is going to say "Hey, it's right there in the rules that you shall not test your God", but Scientology does not have any such rule and is in fact a very egomanic ideology. And an OT "playing games", that sounds, well, acceptable to a Scientologist, isn't it? Either that or they say "I have more important things to do than games". Just a thought ... and a possible way to persuade them to think about it.
Talking about Superpower.... There's a rundown for that now ... It's called Superpower. Available only in Flag . That's some weird shitOn a side note - a thing that comes to my mind everytime I think of OTs making excuses for having no superpowers. "Playing games" is pretty high on the tone scale actually and I always wonder whether despite of all the double-think and other lame excuses some witty apprentices to OT, or finished OTs (= people having done the CoS courses, not superhumans) take this as a reason why it actually should work and why it would not be a bad thing to try out the superpowers.
You know, a Christian in that situation is going to say "Hey, it's right there in the rules that you shall not test your God", but Scientology does not have any such rule and is in fact a very egomanic ideology. And an OT "playing games", that sounds, well, acceptable to a Scientologist, isn't it? Either that or they say "I have more important things to do than games". Just a thought ... and a possible way to persuade them to think about it.
Yes . It's still a co audit but the objectives do not exist anymore . Only the SRDIt's beginning to sound like the old version of the HQS course, which had SOS as the first book to read, included lots of TRs (perhaps including the upper indoc TRs), and also included objectives co-audit. This was a long, tough course to study. It was replaced with a "based-on-the-works-of" type new HQS course, which had a more modern-looking course pack, but basically had nothing in it. Presumably the rationale was that the old HQS was too difficult for someone who hadn't yet done the Student Hat. But it sounds like the Survival RD is basically a re-release of that, under a different name. SP transcriptionist errors, and back again, on a 25-year cycle. I wonder when they are going to re-release Dianetics Today.
Has the TRs and Objectives co-audit course been replaced by the SRD then?
Hubbard's "tech" output diminished drastically around the time that, for medical reasons, he (largely) curtailed his use of various psychoactive substance. This was in the early 1970s.
Drugs and alcohol were how he "rose above the bank."
After the early I970s, most "new" material was the result of tech aides, or Senior Case Supervisor International at the time, David Mayo.
The current "New OT 8" was assembled from old material by Ray Mitthoff.
Yah. I trained to deliver what used to be one of the main pre-requisites for Superpower (the Key to Life course - not sure whether it is still a prerequisite). When that was released, it was claimed that you had to do KTL, Life Orientation Course, and be OTIII to do Superpower. I think I read somewhere recently that you no longer need to do KTL and LOC in order to do Superpower.Talking about Superpower.... There's a rundown for that now ... It's called Superpower. Available only in Flag . That's some weird shit
Are the KTL and LOC courses still an important thing in the church? When they released them, they were a really big deal. They never seem to be mentioned now. I remember when we fired back to our local orgs to deliver them, the KTL team was kept separate from the main org, and was managed directly from New World Corp, because it was thought that only people who had done the KTL line-up could be trusted to manage it. One or two of the terminals in my local org were very suspicious of this at the time.
Oh, that's interesting. When they were first released, KTL and LOC were delivered by every Class V Org, including in the UK, where my org was based. In the first delivery teams in the UK that were sent back from ITO, a large percentage of the delivery people blew within a matter of months (including me - most of the delivery team in my org blew almost immediately after returning from ITO). There was a big thing about trying to recover delivery personnel, telling us that our training needed to be corrected, etc.Here in Europe the only place to get the KTL was in Kopenhagen. I don't know if it still exists. They really kept me busy with ethics. Haha
Oh, that's interesting. When they were first released, KTL and LOC were delivered by every Class V Org, including in the UK, where my org was based. In the first delivery teams in the UK that were sent back from ITO, a large percentage of the delivery people blew within a matter of months (including me - most of the delivery team in my org blew almost immediately after returning from ITO). There was a big thing about trying to recover delivery personnel, telling us that our training needed to be corrected, etc.
It occurred to me only recently that maybe some of the OT's I knew -- who were quite intelligent people -- had actually glimpsed the possibility that scn was a lie, but justified their continued participation as "playing the game." In other words, they knew scn was a con, but preferred being pawns in LRH's game to being pawns in some other game.On a side note - a thing that comes to my mind everytime I think of OTs making excuses for having no superpowers. "Playing games" is pretty high on the tone scale actually and I always wonder whether despite of all the double-think and other lame excuses some witty apprentices to OT, or finished OTs (= people having done the CoS courses, not superhumans) take this as a reason why it actually should work and why it would not be a bad thing to try out the superpowers.
You know, a Christian in that situation is going to say "Hey, it's right there in the rules that you shall not test your God", but Scientology does not have any such rule and is in fact a very egomanic ideology. And an OT "playing games", that sounds, well, acceptable to a Scientologist, isn't it? Either that or they say "I have more important things to do than games". Just a thought ... and a possible way to persuade them to think about it.
Yah. I trained to deliver what used to be one of the main pre-requisites for Superpower (the Key to Life course - not sure whether it is still a prerequisite). When that was released, it was claimed that you had to do KTL, Life Orientation Course, and be OTIII to do Superpower. I think I read somewhere recently that you no longer need to do KTL and LOC in order to do Superpower.
Thanks Veda. That's really interesting. Yes, the KTL/LOC WERE confidential when I did them. Having said that, I think public were allowed to take their pack of (very heavy) books home with them, though they weren't supposed to open them until they were on the course.The information I have is that the (non mind f__k/mostly benign) part of The Key to Life course was plagiarized from a course developed by a non Scientologist; and that the KTL came into being, initially, as a result of Hubbard being annoyed that his minions were not following his orders properly because their reading and writing skills were so poor.
It was then polished and packaged, with some Scientology (manipulative) head games added, and released with much fanfare (as usual) to the appreciative and awed Scientologists.
I wonder if the idea of having the texts resemble books for preschoolers was inspired by 1950s Red Chinese Communist thought-reform re-education, where a person - even if he was a university professor - was regarded as an an ignorant child "in the Revolution," in need of being re-educated "from the ground up" with similar (but much cruder) "kiddie books."
I saw the prototype 'KTL' materials years ago (simple black and white cartoon drawings on 'foolscap'-sized paper), and the 'KTL' Supervisor's Course. (Hubbard had a very low opinion of those in need doing the course, which seemed to include everyone - except himself.)
My first impression (as I remember it) was that I had already studied grammar, and also such things as the meanings of "little words," and that I wasn't interested in being told that I was functionally illiterate ("sub literate"?) and chronically out-of-valence, in need of being de-"PTS"-ed to Scientology by doing clay demos.
No doubt, looking up words, etc. helped some people, and - for some Sea Org - it might have been regarded as a pleasant time out from the drudgery, but I wasn't interested.
The follow up course seemed even less appealing to me, and was probably "over-kill."
There was just too much "help a little/control a lot" mind-manipulation occurring in Scientology. It had gone beyond saturation levels, and some people were jumping ship.
For Hubbard's mind-manipulation cult to succeed, the proper ratio of "solvent" (abreaction/catharsis, cognitions, "wins," ) to "glue" (indoctrination/"brainwashing") had to be maintained.
This was probably achieved in the early/mid 1970s when Hubbard had his mental-healing-coated (and infused) totalist-model personality-cult up and running at full clip.
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Sometime later, I learned that this course was confidential and placing great emphasis on these kiddie books being studied in their proper sequence. I still find it hard to believe that it was "confidential." Was it?, or did I hear wrong?
"Confidentiality" - proclaimed in publicly displayed, official looking, notices and signs - is yet another gimmick used to make others more malleable and suggestible.
And they're still doing it:
I don't find it unbelievable that someone might improve his word comprehension skills through this course as, at one time I found doing the Student Hat to be useful for the same reason, particularly when looking up the definitions of little words, such as "of," etc. It was useful, but not "life changing," and I didn't consider that I was "capable of comprehension (of words) for the first time," etc., or that I had become someone other than whom I had been as a result, nor did I ever - just to mention it - want to become a "different person."
Yet, the "Success Stories" from this course, which I read in the promo sent out by Scientology, presented a stream of accounts of those who "can now comprehend for the first time," and account after account of people becoming 'a completely different person," etc.
I also noticed that many of the folks writing these "success stories" were already Clear, or OT 3, or OT 7, sometimes Class V, or Class VI, or even Class VIII. All had done the Student Hat, some had done Method I Word Clearing, etc. A fair number were college graduates, or beyond, including a couple of PhDs.
And to top it off, at the end of the two course program, they read Hubbard's 'The Factors'.(Hubbard's re-write of Crowley's 'Naples Arrangement' - itself a restatement of an earlier Kabbalistic/mystical statement). 'The Factors' ends with the words, "humbly tendered as a gift to Man," to seal the deal, and show them how profound has been their voyage from Non-Scientology-non-enlightened confused preschooler to genuine IN-Scientology-grown-up person.
My impression, then - and I was then no longer in $cientology - is that this was the usual Scientology mix of something that (at least appears to) (may) be of benefit to a person (and God help you if, while, IN Scientology, you suggest that it isn't, or that it's not very important.)
The KTL almost seemed like a "soft" RPF (or serving a similar function, "break 'em down, build 'em back up") , but for everyone, not just Sea Org members. (Am not invalidating anyone's gains here, just looking at the glue side of the solvent/glue formula.)
Of course, this was only my impression of the KTL/LOC from a distance.
Anyone know why they are locked up? Seem a bit odd.They are there but locked in a closet.
WTF is right. Benzedrine (amphetamine) is a highly restricted drug in the US, legally available only under doctor's prescription. What are they doing with this in Scn now?That was disturbing for me. When I was on the HDA -Hubbard Dianetics Auditor- there was a reference about the schedule and pills called Benzedrin. I did drugs before Scientology and felt like these ''pills '' were not really vitamins ... I checked that online and found out it was Speed . I confronted my course supervisor with that . They told me the Internet is full of lies .. WTF