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Discussion in 'Stories From Inside Scientology' started by Lulu Belle, Nov 5, 2007.
DM has the money and Marty has his self determinism back. He's not complaining about people writing up things he did much less siccing a new OSA on them. Maybe someone could collect all the "Marty did this" stories and get him to verify or deny and make comments etc sometime but in PRESENT TIME the guy is doing something. Hey! What a concept! Doing something. I wonder what would happen if a concept like that ever caught on.
Well its just an attempt to try to position the opposition - sort of like my referring to those still in as "True Believers" - no Scientologist still in would recognize the term.
Well we could all be posting about how great Hubbard was, or how nothing that ever happened that was bad had anything to do with his insane ideas.
I mean that would be really doing something...
What Msrty does is not accept the posts people make on his blog about these things, so you never hear about them over there.
I think that compiling a list of things he did that he has not taken responsibility for is a terrific idea - although I have enough projects on my hands so I could not take that on. Just having it all in once place would be good, though his ego is too big to address and apologize for any of them.
Perhaps if you or someone started a thread so people can post what they know about these things, and then someone can then put a list together from it. There are certainly enough of them to warrant that!
The problem with asking questions about what Marty 'did' while 'in' (and in charge of 'doing things' is that we can only ask about what we know about. Scientology is a criminal conspiracy and Marty was one of the lead conspirators and the essence of that conspiracy is the conspiracy of silence.
So far the few things he's 'confessed' to have raised more questions than they've answered and he's not talking. And, when he is talking, he's not complete or credible.
His blog is no substitute for a witness stand.
THANK GOT IT ISN'T. You, Me and mr. Rathbun KNOW he would be crushed by the Church of Scientology if he opened himself up for legal scrutiny.
I do not want to see that happen. No free gifts to the Cult.
I do not like
Here is a site that collects unposted comments
(For those who didn't get it I am being satirical)
I'm not sure what your point is here. I couldn't care less whether Marty Rathbun is 'crushed' or not for whatever crimes he committed while in the 'Church' of Scientology. And, any crushing he experienced as a result of legal scrutiny into his activities would be equally or more 'crushing' to David Miscavige and the 'Church' of Scientology as a whole. So, a little collateral Rathbun crushing seems acceptable. Naturally, he *could* cut himself a deal instead, but, that too would require that he tell the truth; on the stand; under oath.
Are you trying to say that we should avoid legal inquiry into and prosecution of the 'Church' of Scientology because it might hurt Marty Rathbun?
Yep i know , Alanzo & Zinj are not going to reply ,
but this debate on Hubbards use of Korzypskis Infinity valued Logic versus Aristotles two valued logic is very good.
also i think George Boole An Investigation of the Laws of Thought was discussed.
Yeah, this is a thread with many posters long gone from ESMB, but, damn, what a good read this thread still is !
Bumpers for posterity~
Scientology uses "infinity-valued logic" at every step along the way. That is what GRADIENTS are. The entire indoctrination system, the concept behind the "Bridge", and the whole process of entrapment by Scientology is conducted on "a gradient". A little bit at a time.
The notion of two-valued logic is "yes" or "no". It involves the idea of "absolutes" where there are two extremes, such as black or white. Infinite-valued logic covers everything BETWEEN the two (theoretical) extremes - including every possible shade of grey. Infinite-valued logic correlates more closely to reality, where people and situations are forever shifting and where people anjd situations often do NOT exist at any "extreme" or "absolute" level.
Granted, in Scientology there ARE MANY ideas that do exist as absolutes (which should be strange for a subject that claims that "absolutes do not exist"):
All critics are SPs.
Scientology is the ONLY way.
ONLY we have the tech to create a better world.
Any person against us MUST have hidden nasty crimes of major magnitude.
All illness is caused by PTSness.
The OT Levels are the most valuable services in the universe.
Your future for all eternity depends entirely on what you do HERE NOW with Scientology.
And, on and on for a great many statements that exist as extremes, and which do not exist along the gradient space between the two extremes of two-valued logic.
Hubbard states that "absolutes do not exist" (they don't outside of your mind), BUT then Hubbard makes a great many extreme and near absolute statements about a great many things. Just more contradictions in Scientology. :confused2:
Time for a
I wish all these folks could have read the Heinlein letters between Heinlein and Hubbard & between Heinlein & Campbell. I believe it would fill in some blanks to provide a more interesting conversation between these folks who are quite good at explaining the con, if you will.
I wish these folks could have had that info from the very beginning of the Dianetics release and continue the conversation.
Annie Tidman (Broker) died June 14, 2011
LuLu Belle, I found this. If it's true Annie is dead.
So much valuable early in this thread from the people who were there ' back then ' seeing things first hand !
May Annie R.I.P>