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Floater
Emma, thanks for bumping! I never saw this:
ME!! I'll be there 2013. Will you be home?
Yes. What should I wear to wrestle alligators?
A thong.
Emma, thanks for bumping! I never saw this:
ME!! I'll be there 2013. Will you be home?
Yes. What should I wear to wrestle alligators?
I just had to put my 2 cents in here regarding whether BTs are real. Having fully embraced the concept that I had BTs that were having a detrimental effect on me, and being a loyal ronbot that really tried to do everything standardly, by the book, no matter what, when it began to kill me (as Feral said in his letter to C/S, “during that time I found myself hoping to die for the first time in my life”) I managed to somehow get a leave of absence from OT7 for “medical reasons,” and never got back on. However, I remained in a state of anxiety and a total psychotic mess for the next 10 years, deathly afraid of my BTs. Once I got a taste of real truth and wisdom (from, oh, ANYTHING else you find out there in the “self-help section” of any bookstore), I finally realized I had been creating the entire “BT” scenario all by myself. There was no such thing as BTs that could “key me in” or haunt me for the rest of my life. I say this despite the fact that I had successfully audited many of them out on my OT levels 3-7 with huge wins. You get what you expect, and I expected LRH’s tech to work, so I could achieve the expected result of a salvaged and clear world, so I hypnotically, under the Scn mind set command, created BTs which could be found and run out. I believe the meter reads reflected “ah, I created one!” and the f/n revealed, "I'm done with my creation now." I no longer believe they ever existed, and even if they do exist, they exist in a very mild thought form, like a wisp of smoke, that can easily be dissipated by simply noticing it as a passing thought, perhaps some concern or other. They do not have any huge honking effect on your life and the planet that you have to dedicate yourself to ridding yourself and the planet of, using a “technology.” The tech is totally bogus. Ron himself never went up the OT levels. Ron was never a Scientologist. He wrote it to con us, not because there was any truth in it.BUT…I obviously needed all that angst, otherwise, how would I have ended up here, wise, happy and free, among all you wonderful people?
In Australia, any toilet can be referred to as a "dunny". But like Scooter says a "real" dunny is the long drop kind - we have one here for our shearers near our shearing shed.
Usually this kind is out in the bush somewhere -its always a good idea to check under the dunny seat for redbacks ( spiders) or other native fauna - if there actually is a seat !
Mrs Pattycakes,
I would like to ask you something,
What do you think about the basic OT level teaching concerning BT's? Do you think they really exist as LRH said? If so, then do you have any real, demonstrable OT abilities gained from removing so many of them?
I'm not talking about competence. Plenty of people are very able in life who have nothing to do with cults. I think you were a pretty competent person before you joined. I'm talking about real 'supernatural' abilities like exteriorization. Could someone hide his hand behind their back, and could you go exterior and tell them how many fingers they have extended, repeatedly and unerringly? Better than chance odds, even? Could anyone in the cult do this? I rather doubt it. If so 'The Amazing Randi' -I think his name is-would pay for their bridge.
If not, then what was going on, in your opinion?
Well Rmack - that is a very interesting question
Obviously when I read LRH's writing on this matter I was willing to see if this was true . I went into session solo and did what he said and low and behold the meter reacted and off I went handling these beings.
I did OT III and then did the Philadelphia Doctorate Course - supposedly the course that trains OTs how to be OT. I was really looking forward to having some of these great abilities that he and you talk about - reading books from another room etc. I thought the higher OT levels must consist of creative / practical processes to help you drill / learn these abilities .
I think perhaps some of the old OT levels actually did (- though I have no proof that they made real OTs. ):confused2:
However the current OT Levels up to and including OTVII certainly don't !
To be honest I had some good wins particularly on OT V - where you get to address all sorts of aspects in your life with regard to these beings. For example - say you had a phobia about something, or a persistant body problem or something that you had your attention stuck on.
It sort of explained why we as "clears" did not have all of those wonderous abilities that LRH promised we would have - because we had these pesky beings with their "case" influencing things.
I would of been happy to end handling these duds after OTV. I was doing well in life ( except for the one enormous blind spot - I thought I had the "tech" to handle everything - when in reality I did not. Infact I had become very insular in my views )
Anyway - as you know OT VII is even more of the same. I did ok with it for the first year - but sadly it went on and on. There were times when I lost reality about handling these beings and wrote this to the CS - he just encouraged me to continue.
There were many times when I thought - what the F@#K am I doing this for - I can not see how this is going to make me have these amazing OT abilities . However, on this level you are trained to be the auditor , not the pc. So you just have to put your auditor hat back on and continue - remember by this time you have had KSW 1 thoroughly drilled into you - so you believe if Ron says this is what you have to do then this is it !
Now - I'm out I can honestly say that I know a lot of really nice, able guys who are "OTs". I also know that NONE of them have any significant and consistant OT abilities - they can make things go right - because they have done so this many times to get up the Bridge - but I don't know anyone who could do what you asked or "knock someones hat off at 50 paces" or anything along that metaphysical line .
I am still pondering on the whole OT level stuff . I currently believe there are beings out there without bodies and they can be contacted if one tries - but I definately no longer think that the action of getting rid of these beings from your vacinity is the road to freedom or to any extraordinary abilities and I certainly would not recommend it.
I also do not believe these beings exist in the quantities that LRH ( or auditing on OTVII ) would have
you believe - which again begs the question - what the F@#K was I doing ???
They would just say he was an SP and they wouldn't read it because if they dared to read it they would know that it would come up in their next session that they did this naughty no no and they would end up in ethics and have to pay for endless sec checks for doing such a thing. Scientologists don't dare do such a thing if they hope to get any more auditing or training or if they don't want to be declared an SP and lose contact with their friends and family who are still in. Only if the Scientologist already has doubts and isn't worried about losing their route to OT and Total Freedom via the Church of Scientology would they dare to even look at it.If this story was put under the nose of a scientlogist would they read it and how would they react to it?