GROSS! Off Policy

Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Clay Pigeon, May 10, 2018.

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  1. phenomanon

    phenomanon Front door security.

    I don't recall when Issues were revised, reissued and re revised, but I do know that LRH had a "Black List" in 1953/54.
    I know that because I have a copy of a letter in which he says that Remy Stone is not on his Blacklist. His "black list contained names of people who were not to be allowed on any scn premises, not to be communicated with, etc.
    A "declare" by any other name still smells shitty
     
  2. Koot

    Koot Patron with Honors

    Good point.
     
  3. freethinker

    freethinker Crusader

    Do you really care if a church which deals in human trafficking declares you suppressive?

    For myself, I am absolutely suppressive of abortion, human trafficking, mind control, and a host of other human rights abuses committed by Scientology every hour. just because they call it a religion doesn't whitewash those practices into acceptable behavioral practices.

    If you want Scientology to declare you a good guy or woman then you have to agree with EVERYTHING they do.

    Do you?
     
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  4. Koot

    Koot Patron with Honors

    Good question. I tend to lean towards Uncover's thought on it with a dose of how much Mischief-o-bitch was in control. I have read and heard enough LRH early and later to get to know the gist of it and him. I do not think he was total PR and Con man. I think he made some bad moves and having that much altitude and control his overts made big effects. After his death the vultures moved in and now the organization is reverberating from the top down as is expected.
     
  5. Koot

    Koot Patron with Honors

    I see no problem with blocking those with ill intent. We know very little of the details. We do know LRH was under attack from government institutions. We know how degraded and destructive governments can be,that includes ancient governments like the Catholic church, the Pharisees and Sadduces, Churches that is. When an INDIVIDUAL operates to help a suppressive organization(suppressive to anything, not just SCN) they should be located and labelled to warn others.
     
  6. Koot

    Koot Patron with Honors

    It certainly could be used that way.
     
  7. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    All that sounds perfectly reasonable, until you realize that anyone can call a group/organization/person "suppressive" without, necessarily, any valid reason. Such labeling could (and would) be used to censor and suppress good people.

    No, I'll stick with our current justice system.
     
  8. Fred Basset

    Fred Basset Patron

    So, I may as well just share this:

    Was randomly opening EOC vol 0 and saw one line that just described what seems to be occurring in Orgs and Flag etc these days.

    "....No product. Meaningless, often frantic and useless DO."

    I don't fully follow the whole HCOPL, but as usual at least something stands out and makes a bit of sense.
    I just thought that that is exactly what seems to occur a lot these days, the frantic and useless DO.

    As I understand the PL, it means that there isn't the proper purpose and product of the staff. They just are excited and run around trying to get others to join in with the hysteria of being excited about the latest push. No actual product, just more hype.
     
  9. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    hubbard could see that these people were trying warn others of an INDIVIDUAL that was operating a suppressive organization, HIS. Why do you think he didn't want them around?
     
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  10. Koot

    Koot Patron with Honors

    I can respect your choice. I would point out that any system can be abused. Those individuals who would abuse should be located and restrained IMHO.
     
  11. Koot

    Koot Patron with Honors

    One man's trash is another man's treasure.
     
  12. Koot

    Koot Patron with Honors

    As for "our" present "justice" system---------------https://www.scribd.com/document/33769284/The-3-City-States
     
  13. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes, but our current justice system is a lot better than Scientology's "locate and restrain" based on one "authority's" accusation.
     
  14. freethinker

    freethinker Crusader

    Exactly, there was always a frantic urgency to get things done which was coated with the purpose of clearing the planet when the truth was- they were filling their bank account as fast as they could. That was, and is, the only purpose. And those who sympathize with Ron should realize he wrote the directives to rip people off. Anything you got out of the tech, well, you were lucky.

    i don't think I ever want to hear the mantra, "We're going St Hill size" ever again. I'm sure people are getting overrun on Ideal Orgs as well.
     
  15. Koot

    Koot Patron with Honors

    Don't put words in my mouth. "Scientologies" system is not Scientology. It is a group gone mad and run by madmen. Our current justice system is about the same only way bigger and much much more dangerous.
     
  16. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yeah. Right. So your solution is that "someone" would just locate people that they determine are bad and "restrain" them? Wonderful. Totally workable... :duh:
     
  17. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    One man can trash a lot of other people's treasures.
     
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  18. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    YEEEEEE-OWWW!!!

    Yeah!

    Talk about off policy!

    You've probably posted this before but I haven't seen it.

    If you could expand on the story Phenomama I'd love to read it
     
  19. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    Yeah...

    It is ironic and paradoxical that the ideal per the COHE and many other primary materials is liberation from both inner and outer limits on freedom, self control, higher awareness but policy makes good tools for control freaks

    The BEST defense is to know both the technical and policy materials that do promote freedom awareness ability and an Ethos NOT based on CGI
     
  20. Koot

    Koot Patron with Honors

    Bad????? Good bad, right wrong, survive succumb, dominate escape domination ????? Sounds familiar. Welcome to the planet!!
     
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