How to Stay "Under the Radar"

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  1. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    I don't think this has been covered very much: Scientologists: How to Stay Under the Radar.

    Today, more than ever, these tips and suggestions could be very valuable.

    I actually developed and used most of these techniques when I was still "in" (as far as the church knew). They worked and made my life easier.
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  2. anon1

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    Great tips, I'm at the stage where I tell anyone who contacts me to go fuck themselves! I need to learn to be more tolerant, after all I was one of them once. I just find it so damn difficult to sit and listen quietly when olds friends say the most ridiculous crap. The church has DEFINITELY lost its stranglehold on defectors.
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  3. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    My unstated hope in this article was that it be spread widely and org incomes crash as a result. :D:clapping:
  4. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    A couple points to add to Bill's brilliant post - Don't fall for the regs saying " I just need a flow to get my postulates in so I can reg this upstat later on this evening" or some version of that. You know how old that ruse is? David Light used it on me in 1968. Michael Roberts & Howard Becker ( a killer pair of blood sucking IAS reges) used the same line many times on unannounced drive by stopoffs at the Mimsey's house. I used to be a true believer and would give them a grand or so when they would come by. Then I got broke. As in real broke. They would pull up and expect some cash - I'd offer $50 - they would grind me for a hundred. It didn't take too many of those to get them to stop coming by altogether. Nothing like a little reality... to give them a new understanding. :)

  5. TheSneakster

    TheSneakster More Skeptical Than You

    Just my two cents (now $1.50 due to inflation):

    Staying "under the radar" is not a viable long-term position.

    Eventually the Org will notice one is not taking services and route one to Ethics as "Disaffected". Then comes an HCO Confessional at one's own expense. If the auditor is even remotely competent (GAoT trained auditors may well not be), it will be discovered that one has been frequenting anti-Scientology critical sites and the punishment will be severe.

    Staying "under the radar" only empowers David "Darth Midget" Miscavige.

    I realize the prospect of losing one's whole family, business associates, etc may be too terrible to face - but that is what is going to happen eventually, regardless. Best to make contingency plans and preparations against that day, do something with one's final remaining communication access with loved ones to try and get them out and leave of one's own free will, I reckon.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
    ex-Sea Org and Declared SP
  6. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor


    Interesting thread. Technology to covertly avoid an insane cult, mostly consisting of grinning and lying. LOL

    It's fascinating that L. Ron Hubbard pronounces that the most dangerous tone level in the universe is covert hostility (1.1) and that those at that tone should be disposed of quietly without sorry.

    Then the cult of Scientology carefully and meticulously TRAINS Scientologists that the only way to survive and overcome the cult's sociopathic 1.1 behavior is TO BECOME A 1.1 !!!

    So, in a nutshell, that's the product of Scientology. SPs and 1.1s. This is actually the product that Scientology produces in huge volumes. They are incredibly upstat at it.

    For some reason they never brag about their power stats in that area. Instead, they make up lies about an area that is crashed (membership) and pretend they have 15 million members.

    Scientology continues to struggle mightily against the millions of lies they have told, each one being a Gulliveresque binding that has paralyzed the OT giant.
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  7. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    You're right. It's just a delaying tactic.

    But for some, it may mean one more day of seeing your kids or grandkids. And that makes it worthwhile. It's one more day where you might see your loved one finally realize it's all bullshit and leave with you.

    There's a story of a man condemned to death by a king. He convinces the king that he can teach the King's horse to sing, but he needs a year to do it. The king agrees.

    The man's friend tells him "Are you crazy? You are never going to succeed!"

    Man replies "A lot can happen in a year. The king might die. I might die.

    Or maybe the horse learns to sing"
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  8. Out Ethics

    Out Ethics Out Ethics Ex Ethics Officer

    I disagree - one can do a lot of damage to Scientology by staying under the radar....but remain ACTIVE.

    Keep your TR's IN!
    Use ARC!
    covertly get the truth out to everyone you know - put cracks in the believer's bubbbles with THE TRUTH

    I mean - Hubbard tells you what to be an SP.

    So - BE an SP!

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  9. Bill

    Bill Gold Meritorious Patron

    Staying under the radar can go on for years. People have done exactly that. You show up for events, you buy the revised-revised-revised book or audio set, you take a correspondence course, it has been done. I know people who just moved far, far away from any org or mission. That makes it easy.

    Of course, long term, your friends and family all leave and then it doesn't matter.
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  10. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    That's the objective of being undercover: to keep connections until your most important ones decide to leave WITH you.

    That's also a reason for the org not bothering the undercover: the org doesn't really know who might decide to leave WITH him.
  11. Operating DB

    Operating DB Truman Show Dropout

    HH, your obnosis is spot on. Did you perfect you obnosis skills in the Church of Hoaxology?​

    This is another fine, boiled down concise statement on what the cult is really all about. Thank you for distilling this down to the obvious simple truth. One of these days we'll have the cult all figured out and it will as-is into nothingness.​

    *Sorry for the cult speak. My reactive brain got stuck in my 1970's time track.
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  12. HelluvaHoax!

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    Actually, it took me an incredibly long time trying to pass the OBNOSIS DRILL. Two decades in fact!

    For some unknown reason, I kept flunking on being able to obnose the difference between a homo sapiens and a homo novis.

    When I finally gained that ability, they still flunked me, but for a different reason--because I correctly obnosed that there was no difference.

    The Road Bridge Not Taken

    Two roads (to total freedom) diverged in a wood prison planet, and I—
    I took the one less traveled by,
    And that has made all the difference.

    Additional technical information about "total freedom" in signature line below

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  13. HelluvaHoax!

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    Oh wait, did the signature lines get bumped off?

    Maybe that happened a long time ago, but (as I say) my obnosis is shit! LOL

    The line I was alluding to was: I never felt as free as when I freed myself from "total freedom".

    I'm thinking I could have won a Nobel Peace Prize for that line, if I had only appended "on this planet" to the end of it.

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  14. Terril park

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    Not seen that point expressed before. If someone is a target
    for being bothered the org will already know his connections, or
    soon find out.

    I think we may be close to the point where the org
    hesitates to bother anyone as they are severely declining.

    But that is expecting rationality. I think the org is close to losing all rationality even when pursuing short term goals.

    See their latest promo efforts courtesy of Mike Rinder.
  15. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    "My obnosis is for shit" - Fuck no - you as-ised it. Step up to the stage you OT you and take a bow.:notworthy:

  16. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    Hey Terril, remember that crazy-ass Sea Org mission that went into AOSH DENMARK ADVANCED ORGANIZATION in full uniform, demanding to inspect the OT III materials.

    They were looking for any evidence (apparently) that the tech had been altered or squirreled--which would obviously be the reason it never worked.

    But...ALAS! Those were not Sea Org members, they were blown SPs in fake nautical uniforms. Wait, is that even possible to have a fake version of a fake nautical uniform? LOL

    Anyways, Terril, I think it's time for another big-league caper! You and me buddy. We go get some admirals costumes and medals and ....what else do we need? Oh yeah, hell-yeah---we need CLIPBOARDS.

    So here's the VFP we are after. We go storming into the Ideal Orgs and DEMAND TO INSPECT their tech. We are looking for the hidden tech, Terril. Know what I mean? The tech the orgs are hiding. The REAL tech that works 100% of the time.

    I am totally sure they are hiding it.

    We've got to go get it and release it to the world. I think Ron will be so very proud of us!!

    You in, buddy?

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  17. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    Um. OT V.

  18. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    LOL, yes you are right!

    I mistakenly referenced OT III, the level that terminatedly handles and blows all BTs-----instead of OT V, the level that terminatedly handles and blows all BTs.

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  19. Terril park

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    You mean the data that people blow from upsets and
    not O/Ws which was added so as to enable Ron to continue to control the orgs?
  20. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Yes, that piece of LRH data designed to make Scn's more controllable ("You're not happy and feel like leaving? WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES?").

    As distinguished from the other bits of LRH data designed to make Scns more controllable.

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