Hubbard vindicated . . . hold on to your emeters!

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  1. cakemaker

    cakemaker Patron Meritorious

    Another interesting article at

  2. Student of Trinity

    Student of Trinity Silver Meritorious Patron

    I try to be as real as I can. And they say I'll be able to sit again in just a few weeks, thanks. Ass replacement is a routine procedure these days.
  3. Student of Trinity

    Student of Trinity Silver Meritorious Patron

    Mr Face, sir: you better watch it. When the hipsters are all smoking Velveeta and wearing Jack Bonnet in Starbucks, you'll swear up and down that you were doin' it before it was cool, but it won't do no good. There'll be no-one believe you.
  4. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron


    Been there, done that Professor. :yes:
  5. Claire Swazey

    Claire Swazey Spokeshole, fence sitter

    There've been a number of people who thought plants reacted to external stimuli.
  6. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    That's gross under exaggeration. :coolwink: There's been million upon millions upon millions. :yes:
  7. Claire Swazey

    Claire Swazey Spokeshole, fence sitter

    8 million?
  8. afaceinthecrowd

    afaceinthecrowd Gold Meritorious Patron

    Oh, at least...Including thee and me.
  9. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    Every time you audit a tomato, it raises it's IQ 1 point.
  10. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    This must be the reason the Sea Org don't use toilet paper.

    They are so ethical.

    I still keep my distance, but they are ethical.
  11. Teanntás

    Teanntás Silver Meritorious Patron

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  12. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Banned

    Hubbard was doing this as a publicity stunt,
    as the work of Cleve Backster had been in the news
    BEFORE Hubbard stole the idea to seem clever...

    Cleve is an interesting man in his own right...


    "He was born in Lafayette, New Jersey in February 27, 1924.[1] Backster began his career as an Interrogation Specialist with the CIA, and went on to become Chairman of the Research and Instrument Committee of the Academy for Scientific Interrogation. He is the former director of the Backster School of Lie Detection in San Diego, California and was a polygraph instructor before his experiments on plants.[2][3] He got a D.Sc. in Complementary Medicine from Medicina Alternativa in 1996 and was on the faculty of the California Institute for Human Science Graduate School and Research Center founded by Hiroshi Motoyama which is unaccredited.[2] He wrote the book Primary Perception — Biocommunication with Plants, Foods, and Human Cells which describes 36 years of his work and was published in 2003.[4][5] He died on June 24, 2013 after a prolonged illness.[6]

    "Backster's study of plants began in the 1960s, and he reported observing that a polygraph instrument attached to a plant leaf registered a change in electrical resistance when the plant was harmed or even threatened with harm. His work was inspired by the research of physicist Jagadish Chandra Bose, who claimed to have discovered that playing certain kinds of music in the area where plants grew caused them to grow faster.[8] Bose used a crescograph to measure plant response to various stimuli and demonstrated feeling in plants. From the analysis of the variation of the cell membrane potential of plants under different circumstances, he hypothesized that plants can "feel pain, understand affection etc" and wrote two books about it in 1902 and 1926.

    In February 1966, Backster attached polygraph electrodes to a Dracaena cane plant, to measure at first the time taken for water to reach the leaves. The electrodes are used to measure galvanic skin response and the plant showed readings which resembled that of a human. This made Backster try different scenarios, and the readings went off the chart when he burnt the leaf, because according to him, the plant registered a stress response to his thoughts of harming it.[9] "
  13. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    The story and photo of Hubbard's tomato-metering was published in Garden News on 18 Dec 1959 (see Backster started his plant-metering in 1966.

    Backster's work involving remote (lower organism) reactions to death in brine shrimp and yoghurt culture is very provocative (not joking).

  14. Lermanet_com

    Lermanet_com Banned

    thanks for pointing that out, perhaps Hubbard had an original idea after all..
  15. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'd be surprised. Needs more research.
  16. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    :melodramatic: . . . Oh shock, Oh horror . . . not bloody likely mate!

    Rudolph Steiner lectured on the spiritual element and sensibility of plants in around 1905-10 . . . umm, some years before Hubbs was born . . .

    Anyway . . . whichever way it went, Hubbs tried to use his plant thing to garner publicity and it blew up in his face . . . wasn't this the item that Time Mag blasted him on :biggrin::biggrin:

    Now, what that definition of "hoisted by your own petard"? :duh:

    I SOOooo love it when a phony blows himself out of the water by his own screwy capers!! :hysterical:

  17. Rmack

    Rmack Van Allen Belt Sunbather

    Have you ever heard of the band called 'the Screaming Trees'?

    Very humorous.
  18. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    The imagination is a powerful thing

    like imaginating a state known as "clear" & "OT" and selling it as a concept, books, tapes, lectures, etc.

  19. Kemist

    Kemist Patron with Honors

    You guessed right.

    I did laugh the first time I saw this.

    Then I learned that yep, that was serious.:wacko:

    After that I read excerpts of 'All About Radiation'.
  20. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I noticed an auditors code break in that picture.

    The auditor, LRH, is showing the PC, the Tomato,

    the Tomato's emeter reads.

    Back to cramming you go LRH.