Is Scientology a closed system?

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  1. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    I never thought about this before, but I was watching a video and the speaker mentioned these following points, and was referring to a book by Iain McGilchrist called The divided brain and the search for meaning.

    In the book, which I plan to get and read, he discussed the difference between the halves of the brain which are not identical, but are more in competition with each other. One half looks out of the organism and is concerned with survival, while the other is concerned with detail. The example he gives is the right half of a chicken's brain is looking for seeds in the dirt and the left is looking out to make sure the chicken isn't someone lunch.

    When the left half is dominate, the person tends to only see what he expects to see, and gets stuck in a certain way of thinking, and thus you have a closed system. And so it is IMO with the Scientologist's brain, he sees only what he expects to see, and so is categorically unable to see and thus denies criticism or faults within Scientology's perfect world.

    The right half, he says, meaning comes from understanding the whole, and is comfortable with not trying to grasp everything. Further, happiness comes from understanding and engaging your consecutiveness with the world. That is the polar opposite of the Scientologist's approach with dealing with the world which is cutting communication with people that disagree with their world view.

    So! It explains a lot about cognitive dissonance which I guess is simply left brain thought, IE, ignoring those things that don't fit your closed system.

    Here is a link to his Ebook - the divided brain and the search for meaning.
    https://www.amazon.com/Divided-Brain-Search-Meaning-ebook/dp/B008JE7I2M
    Mimsey

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  2. uncover

    uncover Silver Meritorious Patron

    I have no doubts that Hubbardism/Scientology is a closet system.... :eyeroll:
     
  3. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    'Happiness comes from understanding and engaging your "consecutiveness" with the world'?

    Am I the only one who can't make heads or tails out of that sentence?

    I'd sure like to understand what my happiness hinges on, LOL
     
  4. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Sounds like some uphold-the-status-quo Establishment bollocks to me.

    Paul
     
  5. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    On one hand, there is a middle finger & on the other hand, there is a middle finger.

    Did that help ?
     
  6. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    If you are disconnected from those around you and everything is compartmentalized, there is no understanding the world as a whole. You are thus living in a bubble.

    If, you are trying to engage with those around you, and understand them, and are living with a sense of purpose beyond the immediate ( thursday at 2 pm for instance) you will have a happier life.

    It's the right brain thinking of trying to grasp the whole, while being comfortable with not having to understand it all. It is about being socially connected.

    To a large extent, you could posit that Scientology is not a social organism, in that it only seeks to extract the rich and gullible from the society around it to milk them of any usable resources, to aid it's own survival to the detriment of the whole, and further it exchanges nothing valuable to the surrounding society. Essentially - it is a parasite.

    A real example is the relation ship of Scientology to Clearwater FL. It has bought up a lot of real estate, pays no taxes to the city, it's customers & staff spend little or no money in the city's stores, and the empty buildings and streets are a blight on the city's landscape.

    Like I said, I need to read his book, but the above is what I gleaned from the lecture by another person.

    There are several youtube videos I plan to watch which may explain it better than I can. Here are two of them.

    Mimsey

    [video=youtube;U2mSl7ee8DI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2mSl7ee8DI[/video]

    [video=youtube;DiPrM0DNI8w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiPrM0DNI8w[/video]
     
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2016
  7. pineapple

    pineapple Patron with Honors

    Last time someone tried to explain that to me it didn't end well ...
     
  8. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    To answer your title question, yes, scientology is a closed system. One only has to look at the allegory of the cave, were the shadows on the wall become reality for people in scientology, and those people were us who studied scientology only and were not allowed to mix practices, or study other ideas, as that would be PTS, and most important "open minded", plus policies later on, on no talking about "case" or "tech", no verbal tech which correlates with no critical thinking allowed.

    Scientology is not only a closed system but has a feedback loop introduced to it via success stories (Qual in an org and all it's policy's) and the PTS/SP tech (ethics). Hubbard mentions in one of his lectures about cypernetics in 1950's, which is about feedback in a closed system. Only Hubbard used it to entrap. Very smart of Hubbard.

    And of course, Hubbard's own allegory is the fish story who encounter pain and react, as he states in the dianetics book. And that is the reality Hubbard created in dianetics which is engrams, secondary's and locks, and later on in Scientology the OT levels became reality and of course the so called reality of BT's. And what is this reality but simply getting people to agree, all along the whole bridge to freedom.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RWOpQXTltA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWlUKJIMge4

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback
     
  9. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    ^^^^^ reminds me of Hubbard's apparency vs. actuality discussion in the book Fundamentals of thought.

    What was the ultimate truth Plato saw? That there is a basic undelying truth or form? That reminds me of Jung's archetypes.

    Mimsey
     
  10. Lavalyte

    Lavalyte Patron with Honors

    All these tedious sophomoric attempts to intellectualise scientology.
    The philosophical underpinnings of scientology are actually overpinnings.
    The real meat of scientology is the delivery of the standard set of cultic behaviour control mechanisms.
    In scientology's case they come wrapped in a sci-fi/self-help coating as befits the 1950s.
    Be assured the cult members that try go down this route have expended a thousand times more thought on it than Hubbard did.
     
  11. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I think hubbard expended a lot of thought into it. Afterall the joint is still going.

    Myself, not trying to intellectualize scientology, but more on the side of providing real philosophy as a comparison to hubbard's bullshit sugar coated crap and hyperbole about abilities to be gained.
     
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2016
  12. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    Remember Hubbard talking about fish being corralled by floating blocks that cast shadows into the water? As these blocks were drawn together the fish grouped to avoid the shadows and, oh, how Hubbard rejoiced when he removed the shadows from someone's life.

    The entire time he was laying floating blocks around these very someones.
     
  13. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Good. There is nothing intellectual about scientology.
     
  14. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    LOL! Exactly, did someone just try to sneak by some New Age speak on us?
     
  15. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    No - it stems from his research into the differences between the two halves of the brain and their different functions. Mimsey
     
  16. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    I think they just got the concepts of connectedness and consecutiveness mixed up. But I didn't pursue it, not interested enough, LOL.
     
  17. Helena Handbasket

    Helena Handbasket Gold Meritorious Patron

    Uncover, please don't quote someone and change what they said like that -- without making it clear that you have made a change.

    Helena
     
  18. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    uncover got it wrong, he forgot a word, allow me

    scientology is a water closet.
     
  19. Francois Tremblay

    Francois Tremblay Patron with Honors

    Any neurobiologist can tell you that this is just pseudo-science...the two halves of the brain are not two completely separate entities that each do completely different things. The brain is plastic and (literally) sculpts its structure based on our experiences. There is no half of the brain dedicated to "survival" or "detail." I think what you're talking about is the "lizard brain," which is a real thing (but actually refers to our brain stem, not an actual brain that a lizard would have). You could say metaphorically, but only metaphorically, that it's a part of the brain dedicated to "survival." But it has nothing to do with left/right hemispheres.
     
  20. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    I don't know if what you say is correct or not - he does appear to be well studied and well respected. His assertions may be perfectly valid. What he espouses is not exactly new - here's a video you mght watch.

    [video=youtube;TD88g6v0zHI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD88g6v0zHI[/video][video=youtube;UyyjU8fzEYU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU[/video]

    Here is a copy of something he wrote:

    There is more at this link: http://muse.jhu.edu/article/363168 or you can get his books at Amazon:

    https://www.amazon.com/Master-His-E...d=1483296654&sr=8-1&keywords=Iain+McGilchrist

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