Janis Gillham-Grady

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  1. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    That's pretty wishy-washy wording Mr Mule. How about giving us the interesting specifics of those things you witnessed rather than some vaugue allusions.

    signs of potential without evidence that wasn't nothing... could you be any more circumspect?
     
  2. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    Janis says in her second book that when she went on missions to land-based orgs she was amazed to find they thought of Hubbard as some kind of God with supernatural powers. She worked with him every day for years and knew he was just a man with no OT abilities.
     
  3. CaliMule

    CaliMule Work Hard and Bray

    This thread is about Janis's book. Could you be more derailing?

    Start another thread if you want to bait me into arguing for something I already know you're determined to never credit no matter what I say. I don't see it as my duty to start such a thread for such a futile endeaver.

    Meanwhile, let's not derail this thread, which is about Janis's book.
     
  4. This is NOT OK !!!!

    This is NOT OK !!!! Gold Meritorious Patron

    You brought it up, just saying.
     
  5. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    Janis obviously did not dig deeply into the tech at the time, being so young and busily serving her master. The rest of us, back in the day, did not have the benefit of her day-to-day familiarity or lack of deep study.

    I lived pretty far away and removed from large groups of Scios. Consequently, most of what I knew came from what Hubbard claimed in his fantastical materials. I probably viewed him as "some kind of God with supernatural powers." How could I not?

    Among some of Hubbard's early claims:
    • traveling to five other universes outside the mest universe and experiencing said universes with full reality (PDCs)
    • looking over the shoulders in real time of communicators running the implant stations that monitor earth ('52)
    • visiting the main implant station on Venus for an extended time (SHSBC)
    • being able to see the history of any earth local he was visiting by looking at its time track there and then (PDCs)
    • full exterior perception (early 50's and Class VIII course)
    • full memory of his personal history and time track for the last 80 trillion years down to what he did every day -- but maybe not what he ate for breakfast though (SHSBC)
    • was running several bodies in and around the mest universe ('52)
    I could write a book as thick as Janis's about all the "godly" claims that Hubbard made, especially in his early years. These are what the more serious students of the tech in the fields had read or heard and "knew."

    We believed this stuff, I guess. Well, we did! Looking in the rear view mirror with what we know now, it's pretty embarrassing. Those were different times and we were so young and naive, trying to find hope and a happy future in a somewhat chaotic and uncertain world. That's all I can think. But the outer fields really did believe back then.

    Back then?

    I know of a 40-year veteran and current (double) OT8 who today is contemplating divorcing his wife, disconnecting from most of his kids and grand kids, and leaving no money to all involved because of Hubbard's "godly" claims and the hope that he will attain the same godly powers on the upper OT levels (OT9 & 10) to be released soon. This is all over an issue with the family's Facebook friends and the COS Facebook police. The [presumably sixteen-year-old?] ethics officers in the RTC holding his feet to the fire and pushing him around with all the KRs circulating.

    Some people still believe, even today.
    It's just wild, wild, wild. :omg:
     
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  6. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    I was explaining to a non-Scientologist how Scientology was fundamentally a UFO cult and they asked me if Scientologists believed in alien abduction. Initially my thought was no but then it occurred to me that since all Scientologists must believe they have been implanted in a past life or at an off world station between lives that they do actually believe they have all been abducted or will be abducted by aliens.

    And to take the logic further, since Scientologists were aliens in alien societies when they were abducted in past lives - we have found the aliens, and they are us.
     
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  7. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    You brought it up. You don't know me at all. Why make such an assumption? And you're discussion of LeBon was on topic? Please...

    Threads go where they will. Janis didn't start this thread, it's just a report of a Rinder blog post.

    So I invite you to be more specific. It could be interesting.
     
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  8. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    here is le bon's book, free for anybody to read.

    https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/lebon/Crowds.pdf

    specifically, leaders of crowds, book 2, chapter 3, page 67. "The Leaders of Crowds and Their Means of Persuasion."

    There are 3 of them, and Hubbard used all 3. They are Affirmation, Repetition and Contagion.

    Le Bon further explains all three.

    Here is what Le Bon says of affirmation:

    "Affirmation pure and simple, kept free of all reasoning and all proof, is one
    of the surest means of making an idea enter the mind of crowds. The conciser
    an affirmation is, the more destitute of every appearance of proof and
    demonstration, the more weight it carries. The religious books and the legal
    codes of all ages have always resorted to simple affirmation. Statesmen called
    upon to defend a political cause, and commercial men pushing the sale of their
    products by means of advertising are acquainted with the value of affirmation"

    One of Hubbard's biggest things is affirmation, even going back to Dianetics. Hubbard called it Success Stories, all affirmation without proof.

    As P&B says, where's your proof of OT abilities?

    Repetition, Hubbard constantly repeated the message, it's in his Marketing and PR Series. Why do you think the COS is constantly sending out letters and promo pieces?

    And what of contagion:

    from Le Bon:

    "The opinions and beliefs of crowds are specially propagated by contagion,
    but never by reasoning."

    Hubbard most certainly used all of Le Bon's works.
     
  9. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    You are going to be soooooooooooooo sorry for posting that inval on the Commodore's OT powers.

    For starters, Ron's knowingness is so, well--knowing--that he knows what you are saying, posting and doing to sabotage his mission to save this planet.

    Secondarily, Ron also knows when you've been naughty and nice, so be ethical for heaven's sake!

    Furthermore. . .

    You better watch out! You better not cry!
    You better not natter, I'm telling you why
    Santa Cause is comin' (back) to town.




    ps: I was sorely tempted to gratuitously add "on this planet" (after the word "town"), but my file clerk did not immediately locate anything that rhymed with "planet".
    .ps
     
  10. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Eh. No. I was around it 24/7 for nine years and Scientology didn't do one thing to give or enhance or create supernatural abilities.

    Any cross-section of people will give the same variation of skills and abilities. Scientology is worthless. At best, people who did and thought exactly the same way over a long period of time found it easier to predict each other's actions. There's nothing amazing about that; every group that knows each other well does it.
     
  11. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    Faux or imagined supernatural abilities, however, yes. :whistling: