Janis Gillham-Grady

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  1. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    That's pretty wishy-washy wording Mr Mule. How about giving us the interesting specifics of those things you witnessed rather than some vaugue allusions.

    signs of potential without evidence that wasn't nothing... could you be any more circumspect?
     
  2. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    Janis says in her second book that when she went on missions to land-based orgs she was amazed to find they thought of Hubbard as some kind of God with supernatural powers. She worked with him every day for years and knew he was just a man with no OT abilities.
     
  3. CaliMule

    CaliMule Work Hard and Bray

    This thread is about Janis's book. Could you be more derailing?

    Start another thread if you want to bait me into arguing for something I already know you're determined to never credit no matter what I say. I don't see it as my duty to start such a thread for such a futile endeaver.

    Meanwhile, let's not derail this thread, which is about Janis's book.
     
  4. This is NOT OK !!!!

    This is NOT OK !!!! Gold Meritorious Patron

    You brought it up, just saying.
     
  5. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    Janis obviously did not dig deeply into the tech at the time, being so young and busily serving her master. The rest of us, back in the day, did not have the benefit of her day-to-day familiarity or lack of deep study.

    I lived pretty far away and removed from large groups of Scios. Consequently, most of what I knew came from what Hubbard claimed in his fantastical materials. I probably viewed him as "some kind of God with supernatural powers." How could I not?

    Among some of Hubbard's early claims:
    • traveling to five other universes outside the mest universe and experiencing said universes with full reality (PDCs)
    • looking over the shoulders in real time of communicators running the implant stations that monitor earth ('52)
    • visiting the main implant station on Venus for an extended time (SHSBC)
    • being able to see the history of any earth local he was visiting by looking at its time track there and then (PDCs)
    • full exterior perception (early 50's and Class VIII course)
    • full memory of his personal history and time track for the last 80 trillion years down to what he did every day -- but maybe not what he ate for breakfast though (SHSBC)
    • was running several bodies in and around the mest universe ('52)
    I could write a book as thick as Janis's about all the "godly" claims that Hubbard made, especially in his early years. These are what the more serious students of the tech in the fields had read or heard and "knew."

    We believed this stuff, I guess. Well, we did! Looking in the rear view mirror with what we know now, it's pretty embarrassing. Those were different times and we were so young and naive, trying to find hope and a happy future in a somewhat chaotic and uncertain world. That's all I can think. But the outer fields really did believe back then.

    Back then?

    I know of a 40-year veteran and current (double) OT8 who today is contemplating divorcing his wife, disconnecting from most of his kids and grand kids, and leaving no money to all involved because of Hubbard's "godly" claims and the hope that he will attain the same godly powers on the upper OT levels (OT9 & 10) to be released soon. This is all over an issue with the family's Facebook friends and the COS Facebook police. The [presumably sixteen-year-old?] ethics officers in the RTC holding his feet to the fire and pushing him around with all the KRs circulating.

    Some people still believe, even today.
    It's just wild, wild, wild. :omg:
     
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  6. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    I was explaining to a non-Scientologist how Scientology was fundamentally a UFO cult and they asked me if Scientologists believed in alien abduction. Initially my thought was no but then it occurred to me that since all Scientologists must believe they have been implanted in a past life or at an off world station between lives that they do actually believe they have all been abducted or will be abducted by aliens.

    And to take the logic further, since Scientologists were aliens in alien societies when they were abducted in past lives - we have found the aliens, and they are us.
     
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  7. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    You brought it up. You don't know me at all. Why make such an assumption? And you're discussion of LeBon was on topic? Please...

    Threads go where they will. Janis didn't start this thread, it's just a report of a Rinder blog post.

    So I invite you to be more specific. It could be interesting.
     
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  8. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    here is le bon's book, free for anybody to read.

    https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/lebon/Crowds.pdf

    specifically, leaders of crowds, book 2, chapter 3, page 67. "The Leaders of Crowds and Their Means of Persuasion."

    There are 3 of them, and Hubbard used all 3. They are Affirmation, Repetition and Contagion.

    Le Bon further explains all three.

    Here is what Le Bon says of affirmation:

    "Affirmation pure and simple, kept free of all reasoning and all proof, is one
    of the surest means of making an idea enter the mind of crowds. The conciser
    an affirmation is, the more destitute of every appearance of proof and
    demonstration, the more weight it carries. The religious books and the legal
    codes of all ages have always resorted to simple affirmation. Statesmen called
    upon to defend a political cause, and commercial men pushing the sale of their
    products by means of advertising are acquainted with the value of affirmation"

    One of Hubbard's biggest things is affirmation, even going back to Dianetics. Hubbard called it Success Stories, all affirmation without proof.

    As P&B says, where's your proof of OT abilities?

    Repetition, Hubbard constantly repeated the message, it's in his Marketing and PR Series. Why do you think the COS is constantly sending out letters and promo pieces?

    And what of contagion:

    from Le Bon:

    "The opinions and beliefs of crowds are specially propagated by contagion,
    but never by reasoning."

    Hubbard most certainly used all of Le Bon's works.
     
  9. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    You are going to be soooooooooooooo sorry for posting that inval on the Commodore's OT powers.

    For starters, Ron's knowingness is so, well--knowing--that he knows what you are saying, posting and doing to sabotage his mission to save this planet.

    Secondarily, Ron also knows when you've been naughty and nice, so be ethical for heaven's sake!

    Furthermore. . .

    You better watch out! You better not cry!
    You better not natter, I'm telling you why
    Santa Cause is comin' (back) to town.




    ps: I was sorely tempted to gratuitously add "on this planet" (after the word "town"), but my file clerk did not immediately locate anything that rhymed with "planet".
    .ps
     
  10. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Eh. No. I was around it 24/7 for nine years and Scientology didn't do one thing to give or enhance or create supernatural abilities.

    Any cross-section of people will give the same variation of skills and abilities. Scientology is worthless. At best, people who did and thought exactly the same way over a long period of time found it easier to predict each other's actions. There's nothing amazing about that; every group that knows each other well does it.
     
  11. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

    Faux or imagined supernatural abilities, however, yes. :whistling:
     
  12. rose10

    rose10 Patron

    Thats a good point. I think when you get a group of people together though who think they have special abilities then the power of collective thought can make things happen but its not sustainable I think in everyday life. So that would fit in with affirmation. So some christian people gather and sometimes there are miracles. I doubt it would necessarily happen if one was alone. Some people like you say do have special abilities to see pasts and futures and speak to the dead etc and Im quite convinced with their abilities - therefore I think everyone can have these abilities we just have not harnessed it with any serious methodology - and Hubbard certainly didn't. People feel confident in a group though especially if they are convinced they are on the right track.

    I was working with a guy once and he stood next to me and he levitated about a foot off the floor. I had what I know now as cognitive dissonance. Weird sensation. He actually had to sit down and spend time recovering from the effort of it lol . I don't think he hypnotised me - because we were just standing next to each, I mentioned something about levitation and he said 'what you mean like this...' and then did it. Ive never seen a scientologist do this though. Maybe today people don't expect the abilities claimed on the bridge - they are just looking for knowledge and power and certainty.
     
  13. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Yeh, there's a lot we don't understand and can't explain, that's for sure.

    I think all abilities vary from person to person, whether physical, mental or anything else. I'll never be an Olympic athlete, but I'll probably never have a heart attack, either. I'm not made that way. I also think abilities can be a one-off sometimes, but that's just my thoughts on it.

    A while ago, I wrote about my experiences as a teen with the Christian healing groups. Most were fake, some even pumped in rose-scented perfumes at the appropriate "the Holy Spirit has arrived" moments. There were the occasional visible miracles, but they weren't anything beyond what hypnotists do, and just as short-lived. As a Christian, I don't think God shows up ''on demand" for men to have shows and make profits and appear like they are superior with a special line to God. St Paul sternly preached against that sort of thing. It's an abomination of sorts, IMO, and an abuse of spirit for material or physical gain. Spirit is strongest when it is purely from the heart.

    The biggest miracles I've seen were ones like the old Catholic Italian woman who lived down the street who was getting weaker every day with a body riddled with cancer. She had weeks to live at best and was in terrible shape. :sad: Then her children came to visit and help and she started getting better, walking around, gardening and even cooking! The cancer went into remission for years. That was a miracle. Her children stayed close to her for the rest of her life, too. :love:

    IDK about levitation. I've never seen it, but I've seen some great magicians and definitely been fooled and conned in my life.
     
  14. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Hi Rose. In all honesty I find your post has several details I'd take issue with. I don't believe the power of collective thought can make things happen. The power of collective effort can make things happen where a group of men for example could lift a weight one man could not lift on his own, but that's about as far as it goes IMO.

    I don't believe anyone has the ability to 'see pasts and futures' either. If I'm wrong I'm sure those who can have cleaned up betting in casinos and on the stock market.

    As for the guy who 'levitated about a foot off the floor', I'd like to know what you were smoking at the time. If you can remember what it was please send me some, it sounds like pretty good stuff.
     
  15. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation


    It seems incredible to me that nobody ever catches these amazing sights on camera especially now every man and his dog seem to have a camera primed and ready to go ...

    :whistling:
     
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  16. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum Scientology is abject persecution

    I used to get entire bars full of football fan patrons silent and in awe when I first found out that the digital signal shown on TV was 6 or 7 seconds delayed from the game coverage you'd listen to live on the radio.
    I'd snake an earbud under my shirt and hide it under my hair and put it in one ear, Then I'd hear the result of the play before they ever snapped the football on the screen and yell out Peterson 12 yard pass out in the flat and boom that would happen. I'd do it with increasing frequency the more I drank until I was waving my arms commanding that the quarterback hit a long bomb down the sidelines to Jackson and of course boom it would happen. But then people started getting scared that I was the devil or something but make comments like "woow, you haven't missed one time!"
    So maybe you were standing next to the Devil or an alien, Rose, or the guy was a wicked trickster!
    I've seen a lot of shit but never seen anyone levitate.
     
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  17. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    There was a TV documentary a few years ago showing the magician David Blaine walking the streets and doing magic for people. They were freaking out because it seemed so real. He also did levitation in front of groups of people and fooled them all.

    Then another magician produced another documentary showing how all the tricks were done, including the levitation. It was fascinating.
     
  18. rose10

    rose10 Patron

    My experience was before phones with cameras but its a good point. I can only report what I saw but maybe he had hypnotic power... Im easily fooled it seems!
     
  19. rose10

    rose10 Patron

    I would be very interested in seeing that if you remember the link
     
  20. rose10

    rose10 Patron

    Lol I was not smoking. I think people who talk to souls do have some sort of ability. I have no proof other than they know stuff they could not have known unless they spoke to that person or had some access to background info on which to expand. You sometimes have intuition about people... and I think this ability is greatly exaggerated or enhanced in some. Spiritual stuff is always hard to proof scientifically I guess.