Judge to Garcias: Scientology can lie and cheat and there’s nothing I can do about it

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  1. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    That's because your posts lead one to conclude that you are wearing blinders.

    Maybe you need to remove that wool, so that you can see what others have been trying to tell you.
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  2. FoTi

    FoTi Crusader

    CP...see if you can wrap your mind around the following definitions for the word fraud.

    wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
    "he was convicted of fraud"
    synonyms: fraudulence, cheating, swindling, embezzlement, deceit, deception, double-dealing, chicanery, sharp practice; More
    a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
    "mediums exposed as tricksters and frauds"
    synonyms: impostor, fake, sham, charlatan, quack, mountebank; More

    Fraud - Wikipedia
    In law, fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right

    Definition of fraud
    1 a : deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right was accused of credit card fraud
    b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick automobile insurance frauds
    2 a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor He claimed to be a licensed psychologist, but he turned out to be a fraud.; also : one who defrauds : cheat
    b : one that is not what it seems or is represented to be The UFO picture was proved to be a fraud.

    The EPs on LRH's Grade Chart are used to get people to pay for auditing and training, getting them to think that if they do these services they will receive these benefits. This is used to get people to buy services....thinking that they will be achieving the state of Clear and OT if they buy these services. This is fraud because nobody will ever get there.....no one has....no one will. LRH was selling smoke and mirrors. That is fraud.....deceiving the public to get their money into his pocket so that he would become a millionaire.
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  3. Karen#1

    Karen#1 Gold Meritorious Patron

    Here's one the frauds perpetrated on Luis Garcia. He was bamboozled into paying for the cross above the Super Power Building in Clearwater with high pressure $60,000 telling him it would be HIS monument, his legacy...etc.etc only to find out later a ton of other people also coughed up $60,000 and were told the same spin, all paid for the same cross.

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  4. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Commander Birdsong, the very first status sold by Hubbard was indeed "clear" in 1950 dianetics. Then Hubbard sold his words later as OT, you know the PDC's, the phoenix lectures, etc.

    The present time COS sells it as religion with no proof or legal responsibility with contracts signed.

    Now, why would one sign a contract, the answer is simple. people like me and Garcia's believed in Hubbard's rhetoric that one could go clear, and then OT, and save mankind, and we never thought Hubbard lied. We was duped in other words.
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  5. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    When the Garcias initially agreed to submit to the CoS arbitration they were in good standing. Subsequently the CoS declared them. So why did that not cancel the original agreement? It seems to me the law really is an ass.
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  6. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Hitler's place in history is well assured, but that doesn't automatically mean he did good things!
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  7. Mimsey Borogrove

    Mimsey Borogrove Crusader

    What I fail to see is how in Judge Whittemore's mind the First Amendment trumps criminally perpetrated fraud. That was my question when this first hit the interweb, and it remains unanswered. This man does not deserve to be a judge if he can't see the trees because of the forest.

  8. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor


    There is a big difference between Charles Manson and L. Ron Hubbard. . .

    While Hubbard boasted that he would "...smash my name into history so violently that it will take a legendary form....", only Charles Manson succeeded in making that postulate work.

    By comparison, Ron Hubbard only was able to smash his name into history so comically that it will take a legendary form....".

    Ergo, the name "L. Ron Hubbard" has become the punch line to a joke that only Scientologists are too low toned to laugh at.

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  9. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    HH, Stratsie, Gib, the charming and cherished Karenina, the equally C&C FoTi, and the ever trigger-happy grunt who usually walks point when your squad patrols the jungle lair of esmb's Wild Man of Borneo...

    A. The late lamented Arnoldo was not "speaking with authority" when he named Charlie as a Scientologist, Charlie is not known to have ever claimed to be a Scientologist and I'm not expecting CoS will ever claim him a one of their own. But you don't need him, you got Rex Fowler, you got that guy who went OTVII zipped up to Vegas, blew a hunnert grand on the tables, stormed into the local org screaming he wanted his $$$ back and was found chopped to bits a week later and a goodly list of other delightfully interesting "Scientologists In Good Standing" (see new thread)

    B. Forty years after being "active in the church" I remain exceedingly well pleased with that which I purchased from CoS

    C. Someone who cares as deeply as I about the proper study and practice of auditing will accept blinders neither from CoS nor it's critics

    D. That is a fine point Gibsie...
    IAS is very openly selling status for which on receives garish tchochkes an preferred seating which was not done back in the day but back then there were those whose time in the chair on both sides of the meter was done with an eye to the status of the cert

    E Although I do not wear blinders FoTi...

    It is true that the intangible nature of subject lends it to forms of fraud which can not be prosecuted and it's status as a religion adds extra cover. Welcome to America; welcome to the land of Caveat Emptor. I'm fond of Roget's Thesaurus myself but you have overlooked perhaps the most commonly used characterizton of Ron in his first decade; that he was "a Barnum". Maybe it was a melange of falsehood and gilt but it was a show worth its paying customers


    The musicians who produced the first sounds for the "better living though chemistry" version of scientology; the first psychedelic band called themselves "The Charlatans"

    F. Awright HH...

    Gimme ten one and two line jokes with L Ron Hubbard as a Punchline

    No Hurry

    Just gimme yer best game
  10. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    There are countless jokes for which "L. RON HUBBARD" is the punchline.

    Okay, let's just make one up in the next 0.0342 seconds:



    HELPFUL TIP TO PCS: If you even think about answering your PTS "Search & Discovery" question with
    any reference to Dr. Hubbard, you will promptly be routed to ethics, given an Non-Enturbulation Order
    and variously harassed and terrorized until you blow, get declared as the "ACTUAL SP", after which
    the COS ("Crimewave of Scientology") will disconnect you from all your friends, business associates
    and family, bankrupt you and then try to frame and send you to federal prison with manufactured
    evidence. While all this happens, one of your "friends" will try to help you go insane so that you
    get committed to a mental hospital or more ideally commit suicide because that is the greatest
    good for Scientology and Ron and mankind. We at the Church of Scientology are only interested
    in helping you flourish and prosper so that you can be totally free and totally happy for eternity.
    You should really take advantage of this kindness and generosity before we are forced to murder you.
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  11. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron


    You can't do that at a mike in a cabaret and get a laugh HH

    Channel Lenny Bruce man...

    He'd mop the floor with his audience if he were here to answer this challenge
  12. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    Oh don't be silly Pitsy!

    Of course CoS delivers 100% results!

    It just takes longer with some than it does for others...

    Nobody's hurrying you, you can come in now and write up your o/w's or wait till next lifetime or the lifetime after that
  13. Type4_PTS

    Type4_PTS Diamond Invictus SP

    My bank account was Cleared upon my departure, and I had 12 cents remaining in my pocket, so CoS did get a 100% result in my case.
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  14. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor


    Lenny Bruce is dead.

    L. Ron Hubbard is dead.

    The tech is dead.

    The only "mopping" going on is loyal officers like yourself, still hiding in remote jungles who didn't get word yet that the war was lost and the imperial-imperious "Emperor" long since surrendered.

    HELPFUL TIP: After the divine dianetic dictator dr. hubbard caved in and admitted that his tech didn't work, everyone else was supposed to pause for a brief moment, slap themselves in the forehead and exclaim: "Wow that was majorly fucked up, what wuz I thinking to join a stupid cult?!" Then, they typically took a day off to reflect and cringe, after which they could re-boot a new life without the incessant lies of L. Ron Hubbard circulating in their reactive brains and spilling out their mouth. So, for all you "STRAGGLERS" left behind in the jungle: "THE WAR IS OVER! THE WAR IS OVER!!" And at your earliest convenience, get yourself onto a new routing form that takes you far, far, far away from orbiting eternally around Hubbard's dark planet and its toxic gravity.
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  15. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    If you can get hold of a CoS BRE, put a dime and two pennies in it then tape it to a brick and drop it in a mailbox.
  16. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron


    You might be right...

    Whittemore probably read it as a certain appeal case and gave the preferred opening judgement; upholding First Amendment rights

    The Garcias say the amount they received isn't the issue so they must have some bucks. CoS will say they just want their fifteen minutes of fame...

    But it appears to have been a quick but not hasty decision to send it up lines

    Popcorn anyone?
  17. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

  18. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

    Thanks for such a lovely demonstration of StragglerTechtm

    Unless I am mistaken, I believe it was originally developed in 1945, when Loyal Officers of the Japanese army were hiding out in the Philippine jungles, fighting WWII---and word came that Japan had surrendered. They refused to believe or accept that fact.

    And they remained in those remote jungles, loyally continuing to fight for their Emperor, despite being informed for the next 40 plus years that Emperor H. (Hirohito) was not in fact a deity with supernatural powers & destiny.

    The StragglerTechtm is how those Loyal Officers dismissed each messenger bearing such "r-factors" with condescending snickers.


    Colonel Fukumoto, we respectfully bring you a message from
    our great Emperor H, who says "All is Lost" and you must surrender
    because he realized his magisterial magic mojo doesn't work and
    he wasn't so divinely destined, as he had mistakenly led us to believe.

    (scoffs with a smirk)
    Ha! Such dramatization!

    I do not recognize or understand your strange
    language and weird words. Speak in plain Japanese. . .

    あなたのトリックは私を欺くものではありません。 私のジャングルを今すぐ離れる

    And so it is, Commander Birdsong, we once again respectfully inform you that Emperor H (Hubbard) surrendered in 1986 after succumbed to his own lies and "tech".

    1 translation: "Your tricks don't fool me. Leave my jungle now you low toned, black-pr-ing entheta SP bastard"
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  19. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    It was such a lovely rant I honored it with a smilie...

    Rather reminiscent of the admonitions the Captain of HMS Serapis hurled at the master of The Bonhomme Richard...
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  20. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Silver Meritorious Patron

    Clay Pigeon filling in for Helluva Hoax

    Who seems to have decamped but left his well earned colors behind...

    Apparently came up short a line. Well we all know what that feels like don't we? It's not hard to turn your opponents strength against him and it is a common teaching of most masters. Commander Birdsong could hardly be more vulnerable as he so often and aptly quotes Dylan an endless source of Shoot-from-the-hip comebacks

    "And there's something happening here and you don't know what it is...

    Do you...

    Mr. Jones?"

    would be sequitur...