I just saw that someone had posted on this older thread. You know they are defunct now, right? They were a cult, and used several cult techniques to retain members, including the 'we are the only one' gag. You are always doomed if you leave any cult. I don't think it's a coincidence that their fall was contemporary with the internet. When you do things so contrary to the Bible while calling yourself a Bible-following church, it catches up with you. The 'falling out' was apparently when Mrs Steenis told them they don't have to keep looking like bums, perhaps suggesting that they would be more appealing to more conservative people. Breck just stood up and walked out, and a bunch of people followed him. The expensive building stayed in the widow's control, and the splinter group met in backyard, and then rented churches. I think they were at about 800 in their heyday as Faith of our Fathers, but slowly shrank over the years. I always wondered how many left when their spiritual leader blew his brains out. The ones that stayed told themselves they he succumbed to the pressure of giving God a perfect church! It's amazing how cult members can justify any obviously inconsistent behavior of their gurus. Jay apparently now lives off whatever financial start he had with the church money, and is suppose to own several nice properties. Very lucrative gig that professional Christian gambit. I wonder how much was in the bank accounts when they folded? They had a dogma that you had to give at least %10 before taxes. At least. Do the math, it had to be quite a lot.