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Helena Handbasket

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Doing Something With The Tech

For many years now, I've wanted to "do something with the tech". I tried to join staff at six different groups, both in and out of the church, only to be turned down every time. (In one instance I was accepted only to be offered a post I felt I could not do. In another, it was only as an unpaid volunteer, where I would have had to move and pay all my own expenses.)

I felt I had a calling to help, but it's been made clear to me that my help is not valued. :no:

So I'm giving up. In this case the right thing to do IS nothing, because no one is prepared to let me in. :unsure:

I have Asperger's Syndrome. :geekon: That's a fancy way of saying I'm not a people person, and in a people-oriented field such as org work, that puts me at a distinct disadvantage. (If you're not sure what Asperger's Syndrome is, think of Spock and Barclay and Data and Sheldon and Leonard and Raj and Howard but not Penny all put together.)

I could go back to my old field, computer programming, and do well in it. But to grow as a person, I have to get out of my comfort zone, and do something I'm NOT good at. Besides, this is a job that needs to be done. I'm not looking to get rich doing org work, but even the lowliest Sea Org recruit gets food and berthing and cigarette money. I've never been guaranteed even that. :bigcry:

I've been generous in the past, but where has it got me? Only disappointment. The last time this happened I did everything possible to help, only to be offered nothing more than help loading my things into my car so I could leave. I'm almost ashamed to say how much I did for this group. http://www.gocomics.com/endtown/2013/07/17

So I'm taking a vacation from the tech. I don't want any training, any auditing, any post at all, or any contact with any place delivering services for at least 5 years. Maybe longer. :grouch:

The world is a mess? Fine. Let it be a mess. It's not my problem any more. :nono:

Helena
 
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La La Lou Lou

Crusader
Doing Something With The Tech

For many years now, I've wanted to "do something with the tech". I tried to join staff at six different groups, both in and out of the church, only to be turned down every time. (In one instance I was accepted only to be offered a post I felt I could not do. In another, it was only as an unpaid volunteer, where I would have had to move and pay all my own expenses.)

I felt I had a calling to help, but it's been made clear to me that my help is not valued. :no:

So I'm giving up. In this case the right thing to do IS nothing, because no one is prepared to let me in. :unsure:

I have Asperger's Syndrome. :geekon: That's a fancy way of saying I'm not a people person, and in a people-oriented field such as org work, that puts me at a distinct disadvantage. (If you're not sure what Asperger's Syndrome is, think of Spock and Barclay and Data and Sheldon and Leonard and Raj and Howard but not Penny all put together.)

I could go back to my old field, computer programming, and do well in it. But to grow as a person, I have to get out of my comfort zone, and do something I'm NOT good at. Besides, this is a job that needs to be done. I'm not looking to get rich doing org work, but even the lowliest Sea Org recruit gets food and berthing and cigarette money. I've never been guaranteed even that. :bigcry:

I've been generous in the past, but where has it got me? Only disappointment. The last time this happened I did everything possible to help, only to be offered nothing more than help loading my things into my car so I could leave. I'm almost ashamed to say how much I did for this group. http://www.gocomics.com/endtown/2013/07/17

So I'm taking a vacation from the tech. I don't want any training, any auditing, any post at all, or any contact with any place delivering services for at least 5 years. Maybe longer. :grouch:

The world is a mess? Fine. Let it be a mess. It's not my problem any more. :angry:

Helena

Hell in a, don't worry, just take it easy and watch the IT crowd. I'm still wondering which one you are, I hope it's moss or Richmond, all wonderful characters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcuAIo1_O0Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8f5TPKG7Sw
PS. their loss is our gain.
 

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
I think that when you find yourself, you shall find happiness, love, sense of life, without anything 'tech', go spread your wings kiddo!

(just an Oggy thought)


:rose:
 

Helena Handbasket

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I'm Tired Of Asking For Permission To Help

From now on, whatever I do, I'll do it on my own. Even if that means accomplishing less than I would have otherwise, I'm just not going to be dependent on someone else giving me a license to survive any more.

Writing books directed at the mainstream public will be my major action.

From the Rick Nelson song, Garden Party: "I've learned my lesson well. See, you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself."

I'm no longer looking for a "rescuer" on the 3D. There may be another in my life in the future, working together towards a common goal, but I've got to lead the way. I can't wait any longer for my life to begin.

With Astar* as my witness, I won't be disregarded any more. People will respect me!!

* the spirit of Capt. Bill, whom I believe would support me on this.

Helena
 
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Purple Rain

Crusader
Doing Something With The Tech

For many years now, I've wanted to "do something with the tech". I tried to join staff at six different groups, both in and out of the church, only to be turned down every time. (In one instance I was accepted only to be offered a post I felt I could not do. In another, it was only as an unpaid volunteer, where I would have had to move and pay all my own expenses.)

I felt I had a calling to help, but it's been made clear to me that my help is not valued. :no:

So I'm giving up. In this case the right thing to do IS nothing, because no one is prepared to let me in. :unsure:

I have Asperger's Syndrome. :geekon: That's a fancy way of saying I'm not a people person, and in a people-oriented field such as org work, that puts me at a distinct disadvantage. (If you're not sure what Asperger's Syndrome is, think of Spock and Barclay and Data and Sheldon and Leonard and Raj and Howard but not Penny all put together.)

I could go back to my old field, computer programming, and do well in it. But to grow as a person, I have to get out of my comfort zone, and do something I'm NOT good at. Besides, this is a job that needs to be done. I'm not looking to get rich doing org work, but even the lowliest Sea Org recruit gets food and berthing and cigarette money. I've never been guaranteed even that. :bigcry:

I've been generous in the past, but where has it got me? Only disappointment. The last time this happened I did everything possible to help, only to be offered nothing more than help loading my things into my car so I could leave. I'm almost ashamed to say how much I did for this group. http://www.gocomics.com/endtown/2013/07/17

So I'm taking a vacation from the tech. I don't want any training, any auditing, any post at all, or any contact with any place delivering services for at least 5 years. Maybe longer. :grouch:

The world is a mess? Fine. Let it be a mess. It's not my problem any more. :nono:

Helena

Data and Spock are two of my favourite people. You're in excellent company! Be proud of who you are! Shine on anyway!
 

Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
Doing Something With The Tech

For many years now, I've wanted to "do something with the tech". I tried to join staff at six different groups, both in and out of the church, only to be turned down every time. (In one instance I was accepted only to be offered a post I felt I could not do. In another, it was only as an unpaid volunteer, where I would have had to move and pay all my own expenses.)

I felt I had a calling to help, but it's been made clear to me that my help is not valued. :no:

So I'm giving up. In this case the right thing to do IS nothing, because no one is prepared to let me in. :unsure:

I have Asperger's Syndrome. :geekon: That's a fancy way of saying I'm not a people person, and in a people-oriented field such as org work, that puts me at a distinct disadvantage. (If you're not sure what Asperger's Syndrome is, think of Spock and Barclay and Data and Sheldon and Leonard and Raj and Howard but not Penny all put together.)

I could go back to my old field, computer programming, and do well in it. But to grow as a person, I have to get out of my comfort zone, and do something I'm NOT good at. Besides, this is a job that needs to be done. I'm not looking to get rich doing org work, but even the lowliest Sea Org recruit gets food and berthing and cigarette money. I've never been guaranteed even that. :bigcry:

I've been generous in the past, but where has it got me? Only disappointment. The last time this happened I did everything possible to help, only to be offered nothing more than help loading my things into my car so I could leave. I'm almost ashamed to say how much I did for this group. http://www.gocomics.com/endtown/2013/07/17

So I'm taking a vacation from the tech. I don't want any training, any auditing, any post at all, or any contact with any place delivering services for at least 5 years. Maybe longer. :grouch:

The world is a mess? Fine. Let it be a mess. It's not my problem any more. :nono:

Helena

Helena - I don't have "Asperger's Syndrome" but let me assure you - The Chuch of Scientology makes it VERY DIFFICULT for anyone to join staff or the Sea Org. It is designed that way. Only the "able" are allowed in - and by "able" they mean - do not question, take orders regardless of order given, be a robot, don't look, have a rich relative that is "in" that will pay your bills while you serve as a slave.

You are just like the rest of us. I am a very able person but I would never consider joining the Sea Org or Staff because I could SEE it was slave labor for nothing in exchange.

Work for basically nothing and then pay them for the self-enforced training if you quit the contract because it is insane? I was in recently and interviewed many staff and sea orger's - no one was going up the Bridge unless they had a rich relative to pay for it at the "discounted" :whistling:rates. Even then - they had one day off per week if their stats were up to receive the service. JUST INSANE!!

I think your Asperger's saved your life my dear!! It prevented you from getting sucked into the CULT real deep!!

OH - and the World going to Hell in a handbasket thing - nothing new there - been going on for thousands of years because man is basically evil but trying to be good! Not the other way around. If Hubbard was right about being "basically good, not evil" - then Scientology would not be in the condition it is in today!!

If you want to understand a bit more about the nature of man, his desire to be a "sheep and worship" and the history of this world - check out the Bible. It has been around for 2,000 years and I found quite a lot of stuff in it that does apply to man, his spiritual nature and the difficulties of overcoming the traps in the World!! Hubbard must of studied this too - because he KNEW HOW TO TRAP THETANS!
 

Helena Handbasket

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Helena - I don't have "Asperger's Syndrome" but let me assure you - The Chuch of Scientology makes it VERY DIFFICULT for anyone to join staff or the Sea Org ... by "able" they mean - do not question, take orders regardless of order given, be a robot, don't look, ... I could SEE it was slave labor for nothing in exchange.

Work for basically nothing and then pay them for the self-enforced training if you quit the contract because it is insane? ...

If you want to understand a bit more about the nature of man, his desire to be a "sheep and worship" and the history of this world - check out the Bible. ...

Thank you, IM. I can now see that anyone with half a brain (I like to think I fall into that category) is not welcome.

Actually, only the first of the six orgs (from the OP) was the church (a class 4, or maybe 5, org). The rest were indie, but the first time I started showing some independent thought is when they started to lose interest.

I talked to a Sea Org recruiter too, but as soon as I heard the length of the contract was 1000000000 years I lost interest myself. Even if were something great a lot can happen in that time and any good thing can become bad. (But I now know it wasn't that great to begin with.) I'm not counting this as one of the "six orgs" from the OP because it was me that turned them down.

To think, this "boss" I've been talking about actually suggested I live as an illegal alien, always watching over my shoulder for the police, while he was living in a luxurious spacious brand new apartment. Even that wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't gotten part of the financing the way he did, and that's all I want to say about that.

I had a desire to help. But I refuse to be taken advantage of in the process. However I feel MUCH better now knowing the problem is not with me, but with an intention (by the other guys) to be out-exchange to begin with. And NO ONE, in my experience, is above doing so, no matter how well-regarded they are by their communities.

And I HAVE read the bible, cover to cover. There's lots of truth in there. Lots of lies, too. Maybe I'll get back to writing my own guide to the bible some day.

Helena

EDIT: Actually I would have been happy to work for them full-time, for basically nothing except food, berthing, "cigarette money" (Sea Org wages), and the knowledge I was helping things go right. But they wouldn't do even that. I think they did me a favor, as they pushed me out before I got hurt too much.
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Don't be so down on yourself, Helena! Things have a way of working out for the best, whether we see that or not at the time. People that really care about the important things in life are taken advantage of in Scientology, because Scientology is a selfish business. You are a very smart and capable woman.

I know you said you could go back to work in programming but perhaps the social pressures in these settings is what makes it so unchallengeable?

I thought of this recent article when I read your post here. Perhaps this might be inspiring?

SAP in autism recruitment drive
SAP logo at the firm's headquarters in Walldorf near Heidelberg, south-western Germany SAP believes people with autism can give it an advantage

German software company SAP says it hopes to recruit hundreds of people with autism, saying they have a unique talent for information technology.

The firm said that by 2020, 1% of its global workforce of 65,000 employees would be people with autism.

Autism is a developmental disorder that can cause problems with social interaction and physical behaviour.

However, some people with the condition are highly intelligent and have a keen attention to detail.SAP executive Luisa Delgado said the company believed that "innovation comes from the edges". She added: "Only by employing people who think differently and spark innovation will SAP be prepared to handle the challenges of the 21st Century."

SAP has already hired six people with autism at its office in Bangalore, India, where they work as software testers. The firm said its productivity had increased as a result of their efforts, and it now plans to take on more such staff in other countries.

The recruitment drive is being undertaken in partnership with Specialisterne, a Danish social organisation that helps people with autism find work with information technology companies.

Autistic spectrum disorders, including Asperger's syndrome, are thought to affect about 1% of the population worldwide.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22621829

Specialist People Foundation

The Specialist People Foundation owns Specialisterne Denmark and the Specialisterne concept and trademark. The foundation works to enable one million jobs for people with autism and similar challenges through social entrepreneurship, corporate sector engagement and a global change in mind-set.

SPF works with stakeholders around the world, such as SAP, to bring about a vision of a world where people are given equal opportunities in the labor market. If you are looking for more information about the SPF/SAP partnership, please contact us here. [email protected]
http://specialisterne.com/

Welcome to Specialisterne USA
Passion for details

Specialisterne USA is driving the nationwide expansion of the proven international job creation and employment concept, Specialisterne (“The Specialists”). We assess, train and employ individuals with autism as consultants in IT and other sectors with technically oriented tasks and jobs, with 80-90% of our employees working at corporate partner sites.

Our ambition is within three years to replicate Specialisterne as a sustainable business in 10-12 regions covering the US and develop a mentorship/management model to enable employers to expand their recruitment to include high functioning people with autism and similar challenges.

Working at Specialisterne
If you would like to work as a consultant, or to join an evaluation and education process, then we have many opportunities. Apply for our assessment and training program
 

Helena Handbasket

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I know you said you could go back to work in programming but perhaps the social pressures in these settings is what makes it so unchallengeable?

Actually, I don't want to go back into programming because I want to do something else for a while. I want to do something to benefit society.

Helena
 

Helena Handbasket

Gold Meritorious Patron
Have a song for Alan Turing, patron saint of programmers?

Thank you.

It's a shame what happened to him.

Pop quiz: who was the world's first programmer?




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It was Ada Lovelace, who wrote the first codes for the Analytical Engine, a mechanical computer built by Charles Babbage.



Helena


 

Idle Morgue

Gold Meritorious Patron
Tony Ortega is saving the Universe - one interview at a time!! :happydance::happydance::happydance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-29n8dayHgM




And what is Tony saving the Universe from? THIS MAN!! L Ron Hubbard - who designed the tek to religiously use a camera to suppress anyone that exposes his scam called Scientology!!

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Photo courtesy of H. Hoax! LOL

I love this photo and I am willing to change my avatar to it, if Gad would help me.
 
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Panda Termint

Cabal Of One
Dear Helena,

In my humble opinion, you just need to keep doing what you're doing right now.

You're working on it and that is something to be recognised and validated.

I commented in chat that I think things are going to work out just fine because, from what I've read, you are consciously choosing your own path.

In my opinion the most important thing is to Create the life you want.

Love, Panda

Some of my earlier thoughts on the subject of creating life:

For further insight into this, I recommend that one should examine the common mis-identification of VIEWPOINT with ORIENTATION POINT. It's rampant in this Universe!


Where are you really? Is that YOU or a viewpoint you have extended into the Universe and adopted as "Self"?


I utilise VIEWPOINTS in livingness but never mistake them for who I really am.


As an analogy, I cleave to a simple view of it; life is a play.

Some people choose to live life as if they were the "Actor" rather than the "Writer". The actor often forgets that he's acting, the writer never forgets that it's something he created to be acted out. Occasionally, the "studio" (read, Universe) instigates a re-write without consulting the writer.


Note; If you find use in this analogy, there are many intermediate stages; Producer, Director, Camera-man, Camera, Actor, Props etc.

...


Final note: It's mostly scenery.

Originally posted here (some of the old threads are interesting) :
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?7981-namaste-Borg&p=158794&viewfull=1#post158794
 

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lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
Helena,

I guess tha tmany of us understand what you can experiment form being denied a valuable person from the CO$.

Most of us, are not having a ''autism condition'' but we were also regarded as a slave, fed with rice and beans, denied any wage as a staff or SO
The birthing we were given has often been the wort place and conditions you can't imagine.

I also believe, that your autism, may be something that will save you from going into wery dark words.

All of us found many other ways to volunteer with the feeling we are valuable and helpfull.
You can offer you help in any WOG organisation. They will be so happy to benefit from your talents.

You are very smart to leave before you are ruined and to give up at them now! (I have been that smart)

Life is a day after day challenge!
Every human being - you -me - are unique piece of art.
You many talents are wanted and needed.
Best wishes for you to find a rewarding path
 

Helena Handbasket

Gold Meritorious Patron
Helena,

I guess tha tmany of us understand what you can experiment form being denied a valuable person from the CO$.

Most of us, are not having a ''autism condition'' but we were also regarded as a slave, fed with rice and beans, denied any wage as a staff or SO
The birthing we were given has often been the wort place and conditions you can't imagine.

I also believe, that your autism, may be something that will save you from going into wery dark words.

All of us found many other ways to volunteer with the feeling we are valuable and helpfull.
You can offer you help in any WOG organisation. They will be so happy to benefit from your talents.

You are very smart to leave before you are ruined and to give up at them now! (I have been that smart)

Life is a day after day challenge!
Every human being - you -me - are unique piece of art.
You many talents are wanted and needed.
Best wishes for you to find a rewarding path

I have been described as very analytical. I can evaluate a situation and see exactly how it is. My need to be liked (which we all have) is not so strong that I let it override my good sense.

Unfortunately, I also tend to be very trusting. I would never intentionally betray or mislead somebody, and I expect others to automatically treat me the same way. My faith in humanity exceeds humanity's actual trustworthyness.

Furthermore, I tend to leap before I look, assuming that "it will work out all right".

My particular corner of the Freezone was founded by someone who protested against the exploitation then rampant in the church. But exploitation seems to have wormed it's way back in to this particular group. Perhaps they are dramatizing what happened to them in the church. Or perhaps they are being just plain greedy.

On the surface, scn looks like a fabulous idea. Raise your abilities, have wins, help others, and rescue the planet. Bottom line is, people want to help, and they're willing to put up with all sorts of difficult conditions in order to be able to do so. Particularly if the "bad news" about pay and living conditions is released to them a bit at a time (Machiavelli said demands are best made of the conquered in installments -- somebody correct me if I am wrong).

And my "autism"? First of all, I much prefer the term Asperger's. Asperger's makes me think of the ubersmart Mr. Spock of Star Trek, but autism makes me think of someone who can't even feed themselves. Being an Aspie (an ex-computer programming Aspie at that) gives me a unique perspective on life. I want to understand life in it's smallest details, to take it apart and put it back together again and make it better. My ultimate dream is to program a computer to audit, then sit back and watch as cases are handled by the millions. (Many say that's just not possible, but I'm not so sure.)

There is a process I learned that involves asking, "do you need a new game?" Somebody should ask me that. Or better yet, I should ask that of myself, and bypass the middleman. I want to make an impact on society, it's just a matter of how am I going to do that.

And put an end to the exploitation.

Helena
 
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