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Discussion in 'Evaluating and Criticising Scientology' started by Gib, Jul 4, 2018.
Speed will do that to you. Just saying.
It's also one of the characteristics of lying.
Meade Emory...a non-Scientologist who used to work for the IRS, but went into the private practice as a tax lawyer.
"The very first time the Church of Spiritual Technology was mentioned publicly to Scientologists was by COB RTC David Miscavige in 2000 at the New Year's event. Its founders included Meade Emory, a non-Scientologist who used to work for the Internal Revenue Service but went into private practice as a tax lawyer. He was hired as a specialist for the complex Internal Revenue Codes. The Church of Scientology International and most Scientology organizations settled with the IRS about 11 years later when the service passed a resolution in 1993 declaring the Church tax-exempt.
Other Scientology organizations require all corporate officers to be Scientologists in good standing, along with Scientologist general directors and staff. The Church of Spiritual Technology, however, includes "Special Directors" who are not required to be Scientologists, but who are required to be lawyers "to ensure that CST takes no action to jeopardize its tax-exempt status" (CST vs. IRS, US Claims Court No. 581-88T, June 29, 1992)."
Love your tag lines FoTi:
"Scientology is essentially a spy and mind-control network set up to extract the most money it can from it’s members as well as to enforce the maximum amount of production out of each individual, at minimal or no cost to the organization. It’s as simple as that." - John Peeler
The question remains unanswered, was Earle Cooley a scientolotist?
Nope he was not. The joint is run by lawyers and yet present time still in members Scientologists believe the joint is being run by the great thetan DM.
Not saying he wasn't lying, just suggesting he needed help.
I too love these simple descriptions of $cientology.
For someone exterior to it, it is very easy to get what it is, for what it produces.
My own description are these ones:
$cientology, a collective mental illness.
$cientology: A mafia organizaion that spies on you and then either blackmail you or coerce you in giving them all your belongings.
I thought is was really hinky that a supposed SP, (and anyone who works for the IRS according to Hubbard was an SP) an actual "ex" IRS guy was now all cozy with the midget and the cult. Uh-huh, how exactly does that work? He not an SP now? And a traitor? Even if only a traitor to the IRS, still a traitor but he's now OK according to the mighty midget? Ricky Ricardo voice: "Little man, you got some 'splainin to doo."
Notice also the "bridge" as shown in the background during his speech drops one off at it's highest point into an abyss of blackness. They didn't even attempt to create an illusion that the bridge leads to somewhere. Very telling.
I don't know Broeker's normal voice but the clear state of overwhelm he's in makes his voice hit high pitched squeaky notes and he seems aware of this and that he has no control over it at this point whatsoever and is on the ever present verge of just plain blowing it at any time. And he knew he'd have hell to pay...
Having observed Earle Cooley, up close and first hand, IRL, it was obvious that Cooley feared Miscavige. Miscavige was definitely his boss.
As for becoming cozy with the the U.S. government, Hubbard repeatedly tried to do that, not only with the FBI but with the Defense Department. Remember his famous letter to JFK, circa 1961?
In 1969 Hubbard had no problem with the idea Scientology receiving government funding.
Does anyone seriously think that Hubbard didn't, ultimately, want a "deal" (or "arrangement") with the IRS?
It's more likely that there's a condition of mutual blackmail & mutual benefit underlying the truce between Scientology and the IRS.
Scientology helps the IRS by forwarding (tax and income related) information obtained during (Sec Check, withhold pulling) counseling sessions (in the event that members become "anti-Scientology"), and the IRS helps Scientology by leaving them alone.
Various Scientology front groups - management services, etc. - do counseling and collect "withholds," and I've seen an actual letter from WISE (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises) which threatened a dentist that it would make known to the IRS the dentist's non payment of taxable income, unless the dentist kept his mouth shut and did not create problems for Scientology.
Remember that Hubbard was reporting "Communists" to the FBI as early as 1951 and, IIRC, reported a Mission holder (Alan Walter) to the IRS in the late 1960s.
Scientology playing footsies with the government is nothing new.
No, I see him as my personal hero and savior, often picturing him taking a Russian launched nuclear warhead straight up the wazoo to save all of mankind! Don't you?
Hence will the New Millennium be ushered in, can I get an Amen?
He has so many enemies by now, it could be anyone. Hint: OSA, you might want to look into those frequency scramblers that saved Maduro's ass down in Venezuela. Could come in handy.
Your Act II is closing scene of Act I
I'm a christian Stratsie; our standards are often different than scientology's
We are instructed by scripture to be content so long as we have our food and clothing. We are not forbidden to prosper but we are expected to stand and act on our beliefs even at risk of life.
I am working on my biggest project to date; a serious attempt to amend the Constitution of the United States of America. A supreme effort has been extended at price of everything; the usual if you examine history
Nor am I into invalidation...
You aren't wrong.
I'm not a Marxist, but what he said about religion chimes with me.
Come on William. "Religion is the opium of the masses."
I'm not a 'forgive and forget' sort of person. All that 'turn the other cheek' bollocks doesn't wash with me, sorry.
in reviewing your tag line and you tube vid linked, I've listened to it before. Thanks to Jeffrey Agustine.
It's quite amazing how Hubbard rhetorically duped his top tech people, that is Bill Franks and David Mayo, and it also took them a long time to realize it all was a hoax.
Yes I've seen that this has been made available on earlier threads. I find it the singular most important tidbit in unraveling the stranglehold of Scientology on its members. They made way more of the supposed O/W "technology" sheerly for control of and power over their membership than facts or supposed research merited, and they knew this. I maintain that if overts and withholds cause blows why then senior management would be nothing but vacant posts with the exit doors spinning like turnstiles. No one commits more overts behind a larger veil of secrecy than Scientology upper management.
This is a great site to read about his role. I don't take stock in the "government took over the church and squirreled the tech so it doesn't work" conspiracy theory.
I do take stock in the fact that when on staff HCO wouldn't allow PCs service due to retired parents from the Dept of Justice or retired parents who had military classified clearances from decades ago...petition after petition with the church refusing service...but then the Miscavige's church is set up by Meade Emory who was an IRS employee during the years Mary Sue was infiltrating them under Ron's behest. The PCs are "PTS" due to connection to government and former government employees and a former government employee of the most suppressive element of the government, per Ron, is setting up the church? Is that PTS?
It makes a complete mockery of the "PTS" "tech" and shows the hypocritical church doesn't practice what it preaches. If you had a former IRS attorney set up your biz you'd be instantly declared PTS and denied any services of any kind and would be an eternal Ethics Particle from there on out - WTF were you thinking? But when Miscavige does it or when he's the CS over Lisa McPherson and she spins notice how he doesn't get declared or lose any certs or ever becomes an Ethics Particle.
What a joke.
The other "WTF?!?!?" moment for me was Hu666ard's death cert with Vistaril in his system.
Time for another shot of:
Isn't "pts" just a slippery way of saying "at full effect of" despite of what they've promoted as a "technology" that will restore one's god like abilities and power's thereof while being of greater importance to mankind than "the wheel and or fire" or any of the many such bogus claims?
Hey if those states of beingness are that flimsy and without solid foundation what good are they if "an SP" can just look cross-eyed at you and put down some aspect of Scientology and your "case gain" and "OTness" will fold up like a deck of cards?
Certainly not worth half a million bucks!
I'd rather use that kind of money to buy a nice lake home in the mountains than some flimsy state that doesn't hold up under duress.
I think that if someone like David Mayo had taken charge, then Scientology could have been a force for good, regardless of whether OTs are being made. If they had gotten rid of the extreme emphasis on money and made it reasonably priced, gotten rid of the vulture culture, and just made the organisation more ***honest*** and more like a supportive religion, rather than a parasitic organisation, then it could have been a good thing to belong to.
How many people joined a yoga or tai chi class, and then bitched and moaned about how terrible it was years later? I suspect most people who did a meditation class, or yoga or some such thing, where the cost was reasonable, people were nice, and the atmosphere was positive, still have good things to say about it, even if they are no longer practising it. Scientology COULD HAVE been like that.
I joined the mormons for a while after Scientology. It was just an experiment. I didn't believe in their teachings, but just wanted to see how another religion well-known for being aggressive in recruitment dealt with people. I wanted to observe the process. I found my local mormon church to be very caring, supportive of families, and came away with a warm feeling towards them. I'm not trying to promote the mormons - I know that some people have similarly terrible stories about being a mormon (I suspect that the nearer you get to Utah, the worse are the stories, which I suppose is the analogue of getting nearer to Flag in Scientology). But the experience I had, in a local mormon church continents away from Utah was much more positive than Scientology, despite them having, really, nothing in the way of 'tech'. It was at least configured in a way that made it viable to spend a lifetime in mormonism. They WANTED you to get educated and get a good career. It benefitted them as well as you (through tithing). So it struck me as a much better 'business model' for a religion than Scientology, which just wants to pick you clean in the minimum time-interval possible, and then kick you out when you complain too much.
Scientology has many more tools than a religion like mormonism. So I think that such a version of the church could have been a good thing. I know that some will say that's not possible, since disconnection etc are hard-wired into the tech. I don't take issue with that. But I think a version of the church could have been designed that just focused on auditing people, and training them to audit each other. That took Ron at his word when he said "ethics is a personal thing", and just gave people the tools to 'get their ethics in' without trying to manage or dictate how they did that. On the other hand, isn't that what Ron's Org is, and yet I don't feel any great pull to become a member of that. But then maybe that's because I was promised the state of OT in Scientology - they over-sold themselves, offering states they couldn't deliver, and thereby wrecked the whole subject.
So to answer your question: if Scientology had been the 'friendly' thing that I have delineated above, none of the obsessive stuff about 'the CIA are trying to get us, and the psychs are trying to do us in', then I probably would have stayed for a lot longer. Would the tech be creating Clears and OTs in abundance? No. But it might be helping people to gain clarity in their lives about their life's purpose, and allowing them to unburden themselves of upsets and moral faux pas that they had committed.