I know that you used to work in the GO for many years, Panda.
Have you ever seen this hat pack, and the technology used in the OSA investigations unit?
You were in Scientology for 30 years, is that correct?
And you reached the level of OT 8. Is that also correct?
How easy has it been for you to just drop all your GO/OSA type training and responses and just become a wog again after all that?
I ask because I believe it is more likely that Marty and Mike are just like all of us who have had to examine their cult indoctrination and find it very difficult to drop old habits.
And since Marty and Mike still consider themselves Scientologists, and opinion leaders for the "real LRH Scientology", they are even less likely to drop their indoc than you are.
That's why I said what I said.
Are you saying that Marty and Mike are even better at dropping their cult indoc than the rest of us?
Al, I'll take this up but in doing so I must first express how completely disappointed I am. In the last few days I have seen you knowingly Ad Hom'ing, dissembling/lying (in the form of fabricated accusations and cover-your-ass about-turns) and compromising you supposedly firmly-held principles (in the form of discouraging further discussion and free speech here on ESMB). I really don't know why you've chosen this approach.
Here are the answers to your questions:
I know that you used to work in the GO for many years, Panda.
I worked
for the GO as a GAS (Guardian Assistant Scientologist - a scientology public who does work for the GO). I did this for about 5 years off and on, early in my scientology career.
Have you ever seen this hat pack, and the technology used in the OSA investigations unit?
I never saw it at the time but did see Intel materials and hatting materials as they applied to the work I was doing for the GO. My hatting was done on a need-to-know basis. I read the Full Hat Pack as posted by Frank in 2008, after I'd resigned from the CofS. I was surprised by how much of the material I knew.
You were in Scientology for 30 years, is that correct?
I was in for more than 30 years
And you reached the level of OT 8. Is that also correct?
Yes.
How easy has it been for you to just drop all your GO/OSA type training and responses and just become a wog again after all that?
I'd long since rid myself of the GO/OSA mindset, even when I was still a scientologist. I'd been out of that scene for decades and always refused attempts by OSA to pull me back in. The only thing I ever did for OSA in the last 30 years was write a few letters-to-the-editor defending scientology. Standard stuff to counter bad media. As far as being a "wog"; I don't think that it's possible to unknow some things, I'm definitely much changed by my experiences in scientology. Anyone who went the route I went and thinks he isn't changed by the experience, is obviously pretending to himself.
I ask because I believe it is more likely that Marty and Mike are just like all of us who have had to examine their cult indoctrination and find it very difficult to drop old habits.
Anything is possible but I'd be a little more circumspect than you when it comes to assuming that they've "examine(d) their cult indoctrination". I have no idea whether or not they've examined it at all.
And since Marty and Mike still consider themselves Scientologists, and opinion leaders for the "real LRH Scientology", they are even less likely to drop their indoc than you are.
The implication inherent in this statement is that you somehow think I have had some trouble with it. You're either mistaken or misinformed. As for Marty and Mike, so what? They're still scientologists.
That's why I said what I said.
OK, if you say so.
Are you saying that Marty and Mike are even better at dropping their cult indoc than the rest of us?
I never said that and I wonder how you arrived at that question/conclusion from anything I've said. My answer to the question you (sort of) ask is, "No."
So there you go, I hope that helps.
I'm sorry that my comments on this thread and the CrowdSource thread are making you react in, what is to me, such an odd way, it has really surprised me.
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