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There are lotsa newbies around and Gottabrain is pointing out some of the good info buried under a mountain of crap, would be my guess.How's come?
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There are lotsa newbies around and Gottabrain is pointing out some of the good info buried under a mountain of crap, would be my guess.How's come?
Two quotes from CS Lewis The Screwtape Letters come to mind:
"And since what they are trying to believe may, in some cases, be manifest nonsense, they cannot succeed in believing it and we have the chance of keeping their minds endlessly revolving on themselves in an effort to achieve the impossible" Letter 14 of the Screwtape Letters
" An ever increasing craving for an ever diminishing pleasure is the formula. It is more certain; and it's better style. To get a man's soul and give him NOTHING in return...."
Joe Harrington was digging into cancer and suicide on the "upper levels" - I dont recall where his writeups are, I do recall he found many, a lot, including joe himself ultimately... who died of pancreatic cancer...
See OCMB Thread "How many have to die"
And 30% of OTs have or died of cancer - Scientology-cult.com
and there is evidence that the E-meter's minute direct current current may be a contributing factor per Becker et al. see 7th link down LINK
Michel seems to have just disappeared. Does anyone know what happened?
I believe he is the same man who has been posting on WWP for years and still posts there occasionally as MichaelOT8 or something like that. Can anyone confirm?
Hello! This thread is to answer Tommy Davis’s glibness.
I met Tommy during my second EPF in the Sea Org (actually a 2 months Boot Camp type of EPF), he was eating beans and rice every day, washing our clothes, doing the worst MEST work you can imagine, doing pumps up for hours...because he fucked up a "VIP" cycle.
At that time he wasn’t so proud to be a Sea Org Member, I can tell you.
Now, let’s talk about cancer and suicide on Solo Nots. Here are some data for you guys.
There is a tag status for each Solo Nots auditor:
Green tag: audit 4 to 6 sessions daily and comes on time for his 6 months check.
Grey tag: audit less than 4 sessions daily and doesn't come on time for his 6 month check.
Orange tag: Not allowed to solo audit because of out ethics situation.
Purple tag: Not allowed to audit because of illness or sickness.
Black tag: Disaffected with the church.
See the way it works? One starts the level with a Green tag then, depending on his "ability to be Cause over Life" one keeps his Green tag or, follow the dwindling spiral to Black tag.
There are about 5,300 Solo Nots Auditors worldwide and about(depending on their current status):
1,000 Green tags
1,100 Grey tags
900 Orange tags
800 Purple tags
1,500 Black tags
The 10,000 on Solo Nots is just a dream. There is only 1,000 of them auditing regularly.
I was Solo Nots D of P Europe and i personally met the following Solo Nots Auditors. They were all with advanced cancer:
• Roberto B. – Italy
• Antonella B. – Italy
• Beppe G. – Italy
• Sonia B. – Italy
• Pierluigi G. – Italy
• Bernard C. – Switzerland
• Jo R. - Switzerland
• Tasa D. – France
• Helene M. – France
There is more, but I do not remember their names.
Before I blew the Sea Org in November 2006,two of them died of committed suicide; Jo R. and Beppe G.
I don’t know if the other ones are still alive.
The majority of the 800 Purple tags and 1,500 Black tags are with cancer, HIV, diabetes and non optimum physical conditions.
The majority of the 900 Orange tags committed financial irregularities to be able to “pay for services and/or donations” to the Cult.
Rex Fowler is a typical Orange tag product of the Cult.
You all know the PTS/SP tech “theory”, right?
How many of them had to disconnect from their family and friends because they where the ”SP”?
Why, after an entire bridge people are still sick, ill, criminal, commit suicide, etc..?
Maybe they didn’t find the real SP yet..... or, if they did, they invalidated the read.
At one point every body on Solo Nots had to do or re do the PTS/SP Course GAT.
And the SNR C/S FSO Richard Reiss (pushed by RTC, of course) was constantly harrassing the Solo Nots C/S "because they didn't apply the PTS tech at 100%" during their C/Sing.
Well, a cancerous tumor is not detectable by a SN C/S as far as i know!
I can attest! Beppe G. had a cancerous tumor the size of an egg in his brain while at Flag to "Attest to OT7"! I went with him to the Clearwater Hospital. He was sent back to Italy right away by RTC....
Imagine the Flap if Beppe died in the middle of the Solo Nots HGC!
These data should be widely disseminated. It’ s not a joke. These guys are really in danger.
Michel.
PS: the medical associations should be aware of this data. Scientology technology doesn't cure cancer....when a cancer isn't detected on time, it's too late. Unfortunalely, from a Scientologist view point, a doctor is considered a charlatan.
These data should be widely disseminated. It’ s not a joke. These guys are really in danger.
I doubt that auditing of any kind actively causes cancer or suicide. But I can imagine that people willing to spend months and years holding imaginary conversations with body thetans for hours each day may also disproportionately be the sort of people to ignore a strange pain in the hope it will magically go away, or to retreat from real-life problems to the point of choosing suicide.
That sort of correlation might be enough to produce an alarmingly high rate of cancer and suicide deaths among upper level OTs. But it also remains true that by the time anyone raises enough money to pay for those levels, and then gets through them, they are probably into the age range at which cancer, if not suicide, is more common anyway.
I doubt that auditing of any kind actively causes cancer or suicide.
All that coupled with the fact that historically several of the environments created by the church for staff & public, especially public on upper levels, have been replete with carcinogens. Witness the fiasco of asbestos on the Freewinds and the likely presence of asbestos on the orginal Sea Org vessels as one such example. Given the use of sea org labor on many especially messy industrial clean up jobs since the first acquisitions of the Sea Org vessels and public access to such spaces, elevated rates of illness aren't necessarily surprising, nor evidence of anything to do with the advanced level materials themselves.
... If your point is that obviously the Co$ didn't mind exposing them to one carcinogen so there may have been others, I see your point. ....
... I would personally be interested in knowing if there are comparable rates of cancer in the high level OT's in the FZ.
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• If you get sick you do not get treatment but rather do more auditing? In that case I agree.
• Or are you saying that the audting process actually causes caner?
I personally think it is the first statement not the second because if it is the second then you may have to admit that if it can do something bad it may also be able to do something good. Rather than it being a waste of time and pretty much a head fake.
I think if you are saying that it causes these illnesses you need to do some statistics on how many people got cancer while doing these levels as compared to the normal population not auditing. I am no statistic expert so I don’t know how this would be done.
Just wanted to know your position on this.
I've said it before here on ESMB but I'll say it again;
One of the major contributing factors in this scenario is that Auditors on Upper Levels tend to avoid proper medical diagnostic tests. They know that any diagnosis of a life-threatening disease will automatically make them ineligible for further auditing per Hubbard's "Illegal PCs" policy and so they choose to "not-know" rather than risk becoming ineligible for auditing.
In short all such thoughts about rates of occurrence of cancer among different groups of scientologists is wildly speculative and based on a complete absence of any real data.
Mark A. Baker