Mission Network Pre 1982

Discussion in 'Stories From Inside Scientology' started by OHTEEATE, Apr 1, 2007.

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  1. popsweetland

    popsweetland Patron

    Yes. It could also be called "not seeing the forrest for the trees."
    We all have to step back and look at the "Big Picture" as best as we can from time to time. Then we can get back into the "the game" (or the forrest) if we choose, or move on to another game or forrest or beach or mountain or city or ........

  2. NonScio

    NonScio Patron Meritorious

    Re "sign in blood"...kind of creepy when you think of the black magic
    connection...the legendary manner in which one signs his soul over
    to Satan.
  3. Div6

    Div6 Crusader


    Part 6 of John Atak's A Piece of Blue Sky outlines it pretty well. Teh book actually is a pretty good reference for the LRH\DN\SCN track. even though he hits it from a critical viewpoint. You can read it on line here.
  4. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    There is no black magic connection. Hubbard wasn't a Satanist. Never met Crowley. Hubbard was into occultism, but not Satanism.

    There is no Satan, in any event.
  5. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    There isn't??? I could've sworn he posted on this forum under the name of.......... oh-oh, better not go there! :)
  6. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    It's awkward.

    Aleister Crowley called himself the "Beast 666." And Hubbard was very much into Crowley's Magick, and "Do What Thou Wilt."

    However, as far as I know, neither Crowley nor Hubbard called himself a "Satanist," as being a Satanist implies that one at least takes Christianity seriously - but...

    It's kind of funny though, how Hubbard snuck the word "thetan" into some people's vocabulary, by saying (out of thin air) that "theta" was "Greek for thought or life" (where?), and then quickly coming up with "theta*n."

    This allowed those folks who chose him as their guru to call themselves "thetans," with Hubbard the chief thetan.

    It's just tho thilly.
  7. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    Hubbard did not practice Satanism and he never met Crowley. Hubbard was into that OTO stuff. He didn't worship devils.

    Not that it would matter.

    OHTEEATE Silver Meritorious Patron

    Back to basics

    Ok, maybe I should nudge this thread back to it's original idea, to tell the story of how we got in through missions, to talk about what did/did not work at that level. DM seems to be putting HQS back in big time. I think if done right it is an excellent idea. Hqs is the basic auditor training course that puts your feet on the co-audit route to whatever there is at the top. I don't think we know the answer to that yet. Maybe for you the pre ot levels were not real. OK. Worked ok to a point for me, but the real meat was the OT levels Alan and others did before NOTs was released. The preOT levels are only set ups so you can run real OT levels, theoretically. Hubbard at one point thought OT 3 would handle it and then you just ran the OT levels, then he came out with 3X, then OT DRD, then audited NOTs, then solo NOTs, and it led to OT 8 but that was the end, and 20 years later it's still being held up for Super Power. I think this books thing is another fundraiser, and I would be pissed if I was public, to be told this was historic, etc. and this comes out and is the big breakthrough, a few chapters get re-organized. BFD.
  9. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    A Scientologist friend of mine keeps getting harrassed and pushed to go into the org to watch this event cause it's THE BIGGEST NEWS IN 20 YEARS!!!!

    Big whoop. Biggest news would be some major management changes!!! That would be big news!:p
  10. Mick Wenlock

    Mick Wenlock Admin Emeritus (retired)

    They were into Santaism - they felt it gave them great presents. LOL
  11. Alan

    Alan Gold Meritorious Patron

    A definition of Terms might clear the area of conflict?


    Proper name of the supreme evil spirit in Christianity, O.E. Satan,

    From Gk. Satanas, from Heb. satan "adversary, one who plots against another," from satan "to show enmity to, oppose, plot against," from root s-t-n "one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary."

    GOOD and EVIL

    OMNI-BENEVOLENCE: is the property of being perfectly good, attributed by some religions to God.

    The word omni-benevolence may be interpreted to mean perfectly just, all-loving, fully merciful, and so on, depending on precisely what is taken to be good.

    GOOD, a.

    1. Valid; legally firm; not weak or defective; having strength adequate to its support; as a good title; a good deed; a good claim.

    2. Valid; sound; not weak, false or fallacious; as a good argument.

    3. Complete or sufficiently perfect in its kind; having the physical qualities best adapted to its design and use; opposed to bad,imperfect, corrupted, impaired. We say, good timber, good cloth, a good soil, a good color.

    4. Kind; benevolent; affectionate; as a good father; good will.

    5. Kind; affectionate; faithful; as a good friend.

    6. Promotive of happiness; pleasant; agreeable; cheering; gratifying.

    7. The best fruits; richness; abundance. I will give you the good of the land. Gen.45.

    GOOD, v.t. To manure. [Not in use.]

    E'VIL, a. e'vl. [Heb. to be unjust or injurious, to defraud.]

    1. Having bad qualities of a natural kind; mischievous; having qualities which tend to injury, or to produce mischief.

    Some evil beast hath devoured him. Gen.37.

    2. Having bad qualities of a moral kind; wicked; corrupt; perverse; wrong; as evil thoughts; evil deeds; evil speaking; an evil generation.

    3. Unfortunate; unhappy; producing sorrow, distress, injury or calamity; as evil tidings; evil arrows; evil days.

    E'VIL, n.

    1. Evil is natural or moral. Natural evil is any thing which produces pain, distress, loss or calamity, or which in any way disturbs the peace, impairs the happiness, or destroys the perfection of natural beings.

    Moral evil is any deviation of a moral agent from the rules of conduct prescribed to him by God, or by legitimate human authority; or it is any violation of the plain principles of justice and rectitude.

    There are also evils called civil, which affect injuriously the peace or prosperity of a city or state; and political evils, which injure a nation, in its public capacity.

    All wickedness, all crimes, all violations of law and right are moral evils.

    Diseases are natural evils, but they often proceed from moral evils.

    2. Misfortune; mischief; injury. There shall no evil befall thee. Ps.91.
    A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself. Prov.22.

    3. Depravity; corruption of heart, or disposition to commit wickedness; malignity. The heart of the sons of men is full of evil. Eccles.9.

    4. Malady; as the king's evil or scrophula.

    A demonic being is an evil individual or an evil entity.

    Evil actions are the common denominator of a demonic.

    Evil is L-I-V-E spelled and lived in reverse.

    Devil is L-I-V-E-D spelled and lived in reverse.

    A live spiritual being lives in the present and is constantly creating greater futures by seeking to be, do and have more presence, more creativity, more love, more truth, more aligned harmonious relationships, more knowledge, more responsibility, more control, more value, giving more than they receive, (Exchange,) and more integrity.

    Any action that lessens or makes nothing of the above is an evil action.

    A demon or devil seeks the reverse, less or no presence, less or no love, less or no truth, less or no aligned harmonious relationships, less or no knowledge, less or no responsibility, less or no control, less or no value, less or no integrity and takes more than they give thus causing less or no exchange.

    A demonic or devil is solidly stuck and trapped in some fixed past incident, identity, confusion, blackness, stupidity or mass, fighting long ago past problems, threats, dangers, or incidents containing past enemies.

    The demonic or devil is transferring or superimposing the past incident into the present and future time.

    No one is free from demonic-ness, we all have areas that we seek to make less or nothing of.


    Proper name of the supreme evil spirit in Christianity, O.E. Satan,

    From Gk. Satanas, from Heb. satan "adversary, one who plots against another," from satan "to show enmity to, oppose, plot against," from root s-t-n "one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary."

    In Septuagint (Gk.) usually translated as diabolos "slanderer," lit. "one who throws (something) across" the path of another (see devil), though epiboulos "plotter" is used once.

    NAT ? AS:


    ? () Not at; nor at.

    ? (adv.) Not.

    (This definition is from the 1913 Webster's Dictionary and may be outdated.)


    1. Denoting equality or likeness in kind, degree, or manner; like; similar to; in the same manner with or in which; in accordance with; in proportion to; to the extent or degree in which or to which; equally; no less than;

    2. ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil;

    3. you will reap as you sow;

    4. do as you are bidden.
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  12. Voltaire's Child

    Voltaire's Child Fool on the Hill

    (excitedly) I like presents!!! ;) :D
  13. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Banned

    Then, come up to presents time!

  14. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    A small prize to anyone who can come up with a worse pun on this forum. :)
  15. NonScio

    NonScio Patron Meritorious

    Present time...is that like Christmas...or my birthday?
  16. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Banned

    That's more likely an 'earlier similar'

  17. AnonKat

    AnonKat Crusader

    I need this material! New OT IV (OT DRD) seen a reference on Marty's Blog now I want it
  18. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Interesting tread to read in view of the Janis Grady book being released.
  19. Gizmo

    Gizmo Rabble Rouser

    Yep. Very interesting ! Added more pieces to the puzzle. As a friend of mine used to say about Ron. " Those who get to close to the living lightening always get hurt "!

    I saw so many people ' go over the rainbow ' and come back a crumpled shell of their former self. Some could be patched up. Others ? Lost.

    There really was a time before the price increase that the vibe was still good. Yeah, at the top, things were going sour and - as always - shit flows downhill.

    Now, after lo these many years, it just an eyeball deep cesspool.

    This thread shows a lot of how we got where we are.

    Astute people who walked this path have looked back & said " We are the who. "
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2017
  20. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    What we had in the mission network, was people who actually figured out how to run an organization. The ones who couldn't figure it out, went under. They realized that, in order to keep functioning, the paying customers had to have fun and be winning.

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