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ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
I dunno. I thought it meant 'ordering people around doing your bidding'.:coolwink:
The lecture I was referring to had quite a bit in it about running multiple
bodies simultaneously. I remember it well. It's in the blue volumes.

Time Track of Theta (History of Man Lectures 1-4)

Fair use excerpts:

You could actually track somebody back and find him living
twice through the same age period. You can find him living
twice in the past, through the same years. But more importantly,
more important to you as an auditor, you can find a preclear
living in four or six or ten entities right here on this
universe at this moment. And you can demonstrate it in any
way you want to demonstrate it, and even write letters to
the other identities, if you want to go that far, and tell
them what they had for breakfast.

. . .

And here's some other fellow sitting over someplace,
working like mad, working something out and figuring
something out. Well, that's where he's getting the
data. Now, for instance, you take Kelly and Bessemer.
This is a notable example - Kelly and Bessemer. One sat
in England and one sat in Kentucky, and they invented -
within two days of each other, completed the invention
of - a process of making steel. And they call it today
the Bessemer process. They might as well call it the Kelly
process, because it was invented simultaneously in both
places. Same guy.

. . .

But this jealousy of identities was such, actually,
that in the early days when I was working on this I was
experiencing a terrific anxiety. I knew the next five
minutes somebody was going to appear on the stands with
this first book I wrote on the subject. You see, I knew
somebody else knew. I knew somebody else was working on it
too. And they were. But not here on earth. Anyway ...

. . .

Now, watching this, then, you'll find there are complexities
in auditing for which you will be, sometimes, at a little
bit of a loss to account for. And by the way, this is quite
remarkable: There is a mystic practice of concentrating
until you get a visio. And you'll get visios in far cities,
in far places, without doing any teleportation of yourself
or your soul or anything of the sort. You just lie down and
concentrate and get a visio. And you'll get a visio of
your - of doing something. Some of this is accounted for
simply by, all of a sudden, being the other you - being the
other you.

There are probably as many as four or five fellows on
earth that are almost my duplicate, for instance,
physiologically. Almost - poor fellows. Now, one of these
fellows used to get me in trouble all the time.


You'll have to go to the original lecture or transcript to get
a "full conceptual understanding" of where he was heading
with this.

Surprisingly, or not surprisingly, he never spoke about this
ever again anywhere in earnest or in detail in the next 45
years of tech writings.

I guess it was the "tech du jour," tech of the day that day,
and was nevermore.

But that was the way of much of the tech. Heard about it
once then never again. Seeing this pattern decades ago
allowed me to untie the Gordian Knot of tech and Hubbard.

Now, where did I leave that other body of mine? :hmm:
 

HelluvaHoax!

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The lecture I was referring to had quite a bit in it about running multiple bodies simultaneously. I remember it well. It's in the blue volumes. Time Track of Theta (History of Man Lectures 1-4). Fair use excerpts:

You could actually track somebody back and find him living
twice through the same age period. You can find him living
twice in the past, through the same years. But more importantly,
more important to you as an auditor, you can find a preclear
living in four or six or ten entities right here on this
universe at this moment. And you can demonstrate it in any
way you want to demonstrate it, and even write letters to
the other identities, if you want to go that far, and tell
them what they had for breakfast.

. . .

And here's some other fellow sitting over someplace,
working like mad, working something out and figuring
something out. Well, that's where he's getting the
data. Now, for instance, you take Kelly and Bessemer.
This is a notable example - Kelly and Bessemer. One sat
in England and one sat in Kentucky, and they invented -
within two days of each other, completed the invention
of - a process of making steel. And they call it today
the Bessemer process. They might as well call it the Kelly
process, because it was invented simultaneously in both
places. Same guy.

. . .

But this jealousy of identities was such, actually,
that in the early days when I was working on this I was
experiencing a terrific anxiety. I knew the next five
minutes somebody was going to appear on the stands with
this first book I wrote on the subject. You see, I knew
somebody else knew. I knew somebody else was working on it
too. And they were. But not here on earth. Anyway ...

. . .

Now, watching this, then, you'll find there are complexities
in auditing for which you will be, sometimes, at a little
bit of a loss to account for. And by the way, this is quite
remarkable: There is a mystic practice of concentrating
until you get a visio. And you'll get visios in far cities,
in far places, without doing any teleportation of yourself
or your soul or anything of the sort. You just lie down and
concentrate and get a visio. And you'll get a visio of
your - of doing something. Some of this is accounted for
simply by, all of a sudden, being the other you - being the
other you.

There are probably as many as four or five fellows on
earth that are almost my duplicate, for instance,
physiologically. Almost - poor fellows. Now, one of these
fellows used to get me in trouble all the time.


You'll have to go to the original lecture or transcript to get
a "full conceptual understanding" of where he was heading
with this. Surprisingly, or not surprisingly, he never spoke about this
ever again anywhere in earnest or in detail in the next 45
years of tech writings. I guess it was the "tech du jour," tech of the day that day,
and was nevermore. But that was the way of much of the tech. Heard about it
once then never again. Seeing this pattern decades ago
allowed me to untie the Gordian Knot of tech and Hubbard.
Now, where did I leave that other body of mine?
:hmm:


Outstanding!

It would make a extraordinary research project (not commercial but fascinating scholarship) for someone needing a doctoral thesis. It would be a compendium of all of the earth shattering "discoveries" that Hubbard made which were scientifically determined to be "the only reason..." for any given human condition, malady or symptom.

It would be entitled:

"Cults, Claims, Contradictions,
Crises, Corruption, Creativity & Crap"

It would memorialize every individual CLAIM that Hubbard made where he "found the WHY". The only WHY. The WHY after which no further research, questions, inquiries or even conversation is needed--because he blazed a path all the way to the basic-basic, beyond which there is no further possibility of any other information or technique needed to resolve the problem.

Example:

Discovery: The only reason for any disagreement/natter/blow with regard to Ron/Scientology is a misunderstood word.

Later discovery: The only reason for any disagreement/dispute/ natter/blow with regard to Ron/Scientology is overts.

Later discovery: The only reason for any disagreement/dispute/ natter/blow with regard to Ron/Scientology is third party.

Later discovery: The only reason for any disagreement/dispute/ natter/blow with regard to Ron/Scientology is unhandled BPC.

Later discovery: The only reason for any disagreement/natter/blow with regard to Ron/Scientology is "no results" (see KSW).

Later discovery
: The only reason for any disagreement/natter/blow with regard to Ron/Scientology is a missed withhold.

Later discovery: The only reason for any disagreement/dispute/ natter/blow with regard to Ron/Scientology is PTS rollercoastering caused by being connected to an SP.

Later discovery
: The only reason for any disagreement/natter/blow with regard to Ron/Scientology is an evil purposes.

....et al.​


The same pattern repeats endlessly, wherein Hubbard discovers the ultimate universal secret--only to end up painting himself into a cult corner, after which he slams into the CRISIS that his divine pronouncement and tech doesn't work. Then he is forced to CONTRADICT himself and (using CREATIVITY) to come up with a new discovery, WHY and new excuse/explanation (CRAP).

One could easily run the paradigm on your perfectly delicious Hubbard discovery about a being having several bodies/identities simultaneously--and identifying that as a source of (difficulty, charge, et al). It would be a rather expansive list that would begin way back in DMSMH where Hubbard conclusively stated that there are "no entities", but only engrams. Later he discovered a contradictory truth wherein (History of Man) the Genetic Entity was wreaking havoc with the PC and needed to be handled! Later he disclaimed that discovery also and found that these were all "implants" and that one only needed to run (e.g. rising scale, Route 1, GPMs, the Clearing Course, et al) to handle all of the bank's charge. Later still he discovered that "The only reason a being has (problems, charge, case, degradation, lack of supernatural powers, etc) is that he is being besieged by countless entities (BTs) and needs to pay for OT III. Well, OT III handled all those BTs; but wait! There is yet another "only reason" and that is "dormant BTs" that only get handled if you pay for OT V, VI and VII.

"Cults, Claims, Contradictions, Crises, Corruption, Creativity & Crap". It never ends!

But, have no fear. For Don Hubbard (see avatar) has discovered the only reason that his twin brother Ron did all these nefarious things. It is yet another word beginning with the letter "C".

Cash.
 
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PirateAndBum

Gold Meritorious Patron
The only reason for Scientology is L Ron's inability to STFU.

Now you must understand that old cappy Bill Robertson fully cleared this matter up with his upper levels. aka LTA - Last Time Around. The universe's time-track is cyclical. Just a wee bit different each time.

And as far as anyone proving there is another universe -- no hasn't been done and doesn't look like it will be done any time soon by real scientists. Just theories.

Others have reported on some adventures (while alive and living here in this one) in other universes - see Tom Campbell's My Big TOE or Robert Monroe's books on his OOB travels.
 

phenomanon

Canyon
The lecture I was referring to had quite a bit in it about running multiple
bodies simultaneously. I remember it well. It's in the blue volumes.

Time Track of Theta (History of Man Lectures 1-4)

Fair use excerpts:
You could actually track somebody back and find him living
twice through the same age period. You can find him living
twice in the past, through the same years. But more importantly,
more important to you as an auditor, you can find a preclear
living in four or six or ten entities right here on this
universe at this moment. And you can demonstrate it in any
way you want to demonstrate it, and even write letters to
the other identities, if you want to go that far, and tell
them what they had for breakfast.

. . .

And here's some other fellow sitting over someplace,
working like mad, working something out and figuring
something out. Well, that's where he's getting the
data. Now, for instance, you take Kelly and Bessemer.
This is a notable example - Kelly and Bessemer. One sat
in England and one sat in Kentucky, and they invented -
within two days of each other, completed the invention
of - a process of making steel. And they call it today
the Bessemer process. They might as well call it the Kelly
process, because it was invented simultaneously in both
places. Same guy.

. . .

But this jealousy of identities was such, actually,
that in the early days when I was working on this I was
experiencing a terrific anxiety. I knew the next five
minutes somebody was going to appear on the stands with
this first book I wrote on the subject. You see, I knew
somebody else knew. I knew somebody else was working on it
too. And they were. But not here on earth. Anyway ...

. . .

Now, watching this, then, you'll find there are complexities
in auditing for which you will be, sometimes, at a little
bit of a loss to account for. And by the way, this is quite
remarkable: There is a mystic practice of concentrating
until you get a visio. And you'll get visios in far cities,
in far places, without doing any teleportation of yourself
or your soul or anything of the sort. You just lie down and
concentrate and get a visio. And you'll get a visio of
your - of doing something. Some of this is accounted for
simply by, all of a sudden, being the other you - being the
other you.

There are probably as many as four or five fellows on
earth that are almost my duplicate, for instance,
physiologically. Almost - poor fellows. Now, one of these
fellows used to get me in trouble all the time.


You'll have to go to the original lecture or transcript to get
a "full conceptual understanding" of where he was heading
with this.

Surprisingly, or not surprisingly, he never spoke about this
ever again anywhere in earnest or in detail in the next 45
years of tech writings.

I guess it was the "tech du jour," tech of the day that day,
and was nevermore.

But that was the way of much of the tech. Heard about it
once then never again. Seeing this pattern decades ago
allowed me to untie the Gordian Knot of tech and Hubbard.

Now, where did I leave that other body of mine? :hmm:


Yes. I have a copy of the original lecture, and I have the TTofT cassette pak the COS sold. And I have the Blue Volumes.
I still don't take his wild flights of fantasy seriously.
OTOH, if Hisself, the Big Exterior Being, is outside his body, why then not 'walk in' on some others? It was "smack" talk. "Trash talk". He is looking at each and every student in the eye, he has them enthrall with his gestures, the sound of his voice, his eyes, his aspect. They will believe he is funny, charming, well educated, wise.
Did you believe his stories?
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Yes. I have a copy of the original lecture, and I have the TTofT cassette pak the COS sold. And I have the Blue Volumes.

I still don't take his wild flights of fantasy seriously.

OTOH, if Hisself, the Big Exterior Being, is outside his body, why then not 'walk in' on some others? It was "smack" talk. "Trash talk". He is looking at each and every student in the eye, he has them enthrall with his gestures, the sound of his voice, his eyes, his aspect. They will believe he is funny, charming, well educated, wise.
Did you believe his stories?


:clapping::clapping::clapping:



WOG
I heard that you can go outside
of your physical body! Seriously?!

LRH
Why, yes--we've had exteriorization taped
since the 1950s and so forth and so on. . .

WOG
Wow! And I heard that you can
not only travel outside your body,
but you can actually see everything too!

LRH
Why, yes--and with far more definition, vibrant
color and optical acuity than a mere MEST body.

WOG
OMG! You're blowing my mind! And
when you are exterior with vision, can
you go inside of objects and still see?

LRH
Why, yes--I have done so many times--so
it's all quite old hat and part-and-parcel
of the woof-and-warp on this planet,
and so forth and so on. . .

WOG
So you wouldn't have any problem then
being able to go inside this gift wrapped
box that contains an anniversary present
for my wife? And you could tell me
what's inside and what the
engraving reads?

LRH
Well, now, it is not very ethical
of me to perform parlor tricks. But
you could learn to do it yourself
if you get on the Bridge to Total Freedom.

WOG
But you could do it right?

LRH
Why, yes--and so forth.

WOG
Well......I don't believe you.
And that parlor trick excuse doesn't
even make any sense. If you're not
full of shit, prove it. Right now.
What's in the box, dude?

LRH
What are your crimes?


Sorry about Dr. Hubbard's final line. LOL.

But there is a reason it's that way. . .

Once a year I allow myself to indulge in just ONE (1) post where I don't attempt to translate or shield Hubbard/Scientology in any acceptable way.

And for that one post per annum, I let Scientology speak for itself--and thus reveal in naked shocking fashion the fully absurd non-sequitur that it actually is.

Anyone who thinks that line is ridiculous or an exaggeration has been well distracted by Hubbard's acceptable truths, shore stories and other such misdirection. Buzzkill, right? LOL



 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!
The only reason for Scientology is L Ron's inability to STFU.

Now you must understand that old cappy Bill Robertson fully cleared this matter up with his upper levels. aka LTA - Last Time Around. The universe's time-track is cyclical. Just a wee bit different each time.

And as far as anyone proving there is another universe -- no hasn't been done and doesn't look like it will be done any time soon by real scientists. Just theories.

Others have reported on some adventures (while alive and living here in this one) in other universes - see Tom Campbell's My Big TOE or Robert Monroe's books on his OOB travels.

As I mentionned earlier, some scientists claimed the opposite - being proved vs only theoric.
I find her findings very interesting.
Althoug I admit it's just on the limit of being either a proof or a conclusion :unsure:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2326869/Is-universe-merely-billions-Evidence-existence-multiverse-revealed-time-cosmic-map.html
 
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