New Blog: Why I Left Scientology

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  1. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

    New Blog: Why I Left Scientology.

    No, I am not the author of the blog.

    One may wish to use TOR or a proxy in case this is an OSA op.

    Why I Left Scientology

    http://whyileftscientology.blogspot.com/

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    Introductory article:

    Why Now

    http://whyileftscientology.blogspot.com/2015/12/why-now.html

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    Saturday, December 5, 2015

    Why now?

    Every once in a while, the subject of Scientology comes up. And I'm always astounded when people are astounded to learn that I was once a Scientologist. It's not that I deliberately withhold it. It's just that it never crosses my mind.

    But it's come up again lately. And now, with the release of the HBO documentary Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief, I thought I might like to share some of my musings.

    I joined Scientology in March of 1976.

    From March of 1976 until sometime in 1978, I was staff at Narconon - Scientology's drug rehab program.

    I spent about a year on staff at the Church of Scientology in Toronto around 1979 as a recruitment officer.

    I signed a Sea Org contract in 1984, but never followed through on it. (More about that later.)

    I returned to staff in May 1987.

    I left staff and Scientology in August of 1989.

    My father says that was a year he'll never forget because the Berlin wall came down and I left Scientology.

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  2. AnonLover

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  3. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Yeh, this isn't reading very well. :no: Sue's got a way to go on recovery. She's still caught up in the 'All Psychiatry and Psychiatrists are Evil' rants of Hubbard, even though she left scn.

    http://whyileftscientology.blogspot.com/2015/12/what-scientology-and-psychiatry-have-in.html
     
  4. Cat's Squirrel

    Cat's Squirrel Gold Meritorious Patron

    To be kind to her, her knowledge and understanding of psychiatry is scant in both cases :)

    But just to take up the point about psychiatry not being scientific, I'd bet she couldn't tell you what a control group is (and I reckon most Scientologists couldn't either), and yet you won't find a psychiatrist anywhere who couldn't.

    The reason I mention is that I have discussed psychotherapy with my cousin who is a psychiatrist, and he cited the lack of an adequate control group for psychotherapy as the main reason psychiatrists have difficulty taking psychotherapies seriously.

    But also, if she can't spell "delusional", couldn't she at least have used a spell checker before posting something critical of such a highly literate profession as psychiatry if she wanted to be taken more seriously?
     
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  5. Chloe

    Chloe Patron

    Psychotherapy is not the same as psycho-analysis. There are a lot of different methods, some evidence based. Just to name two: cognitive behavioural therapy and Dialectical behavioural therapy (for borderline personality disorders). Plenty of studies to read, try the Cochrane library for example. In Belgium and the Netherlands, almost every psychiatrist follows education to be a specialized psychotherapist as well. In Holland this title is protected and in Belgium are they working on it.
     
  6. Cat's Squirrel

    Cat's Squirrel Gold Meritorious Patron

    Sure, I've changed that post now as I meant to say "psychotherapy." The problem we have in the UK with psychiatrists doing what you say they do in Holland and Belgium is sheer pressure on resources; my cousin said that in his opinion all his patients with depression need counselling, but he hasn't got the resources available to enable them to access it.
     
  7. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    No comment

    http://whyileftscientology.blogspot.com/2016/01/to-exscnnet.html


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  8. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Tell her not to worry, she's still not very interesting. After just three short comments about her blog, we got bored and switched to other subjects. Nobody will notice her now, either, but thanks for noticing us. :)
     
  9. Sue and I have exchanged several emails and she's the real deal. She was surprised anyone found her bog as only 3 other people were aware she'd started it, in large part to answer questions her kids had. She's a parenting coach and "mommy blogger," lives in Ontario, Ca, was on staff a couple of times in Toronto, out of Scn since -- I think she said -- 1987. We share similar experiences of being on staff in the good ol' days and will probably video-chat soon.

    Elli
     
  10. degraded being

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    Elli, if that is your real email address, did you put it there by mistake?

    DB.
     
  11. AnonyMary

    AnonyMary Formerly Fooled - Finally Free

    Thanks, Elli. You should see about changing your nic name so that your email address is not showing.

    Regarding some of Sue's other articles, I think she's got a bit more to do to evolve out of the Scientology mindset; however the article about her org staff experience and being brainwashed resonated with my experiences and observations. I really liked this article. Here are a couple of snippets from it

    Org Staff

    http://whyileftscientology.blogspot.com/2015/12/org-staff_5.html
     
  12. Thanks for asking. I'm not very shy about real names and email addresses. This is an alternate email address I use only for a second Twitter account, @ellifordyce2. I used it here to register a second time since I've never been able to get back into this site since my original registration; once in I contacted the admin and will soon have that rectified and this account deleted. Meanwhile, being a blabbermouth I couldn't resist posting that. I think I also posted once about leaving Scn but midway through something happened and the text disappeared from my screen and I don't know whether it posted. I find this kind of platform technically very user-unfriendly.
     
  13. Chloe

    Chloe Patron

    The blog changed from public to invitation only..
     
  14. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Just a little shout out to Sue Kranz. IIRC there was a David? Kranz in the TO org. Was he any relation to you?
    Also do you remember Fred Harris? There is a good chance we knew quite a few of the same people.

    I don't see a lot of history of the goings on of the Canadian scientology orgs being posted online. I think any recollections you care to record here for us or for posterity would be greatly appreciated. It might even help some 'old timers' reconnect.

    Also I wonder as a 'drone' working so much in the org if you ever caught wind of some of the stuff that was going on regarding the following

    http://www.scientology-lies.com/pre...t-harassment-spying-in-canada-documented.html

    The Scientology Papers: Cult Harassment, Spying In Canada Documented
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    Source: Globe and Mail
    Date: January 23, 1980
    by John Marshall

    New light has been shed on the Canadian operations of the controversial Church of Scientology by files made public by a U. S. District Court in Washington.

    The evidence refutes denials by Toronto cult leaders of information I reported more than five years ago in a series of articles based on internal cult documents and interviews with defectors.

    Other accounts since then of clandestine operations by the cult in Canada are also supported by the files, submitted in court after being seized in Los Angeles and Washington as part of a 2 1/2-year investigation by U. S. authorities. The trial resulted in jail sentences for nine leading U. S. Scientologists, who are out on bail pending another of many attempts to have documentary evidence used in the case ruled illegal.

    As reported in the accompanying instalment in a series of accounts of the U. S. court proceedings, 35 Scientologists were alleged to have participated in conspiracies to steal government documents and to obstruct justice. Besides the nine sentenced to jail, 23 people were named as unindicted co-conspirators. Three others have been indicted and investigations are continuing in various parts of the United States by state and federal agencies.

    Canadian activities have included the planting of spies with agencies and individuals considered to be barriers to the progress of the wealthy world-wide organization. It recently announced it had purchased $3.5-million worth of property in Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa and Montreal.

    Philip McAiney, a Toronto minister of the cult founded by L. Ron Hubbard, was quoted in The Globe and Mail in 1974 as calling my series of articles at that time misrepresentation and distortion.

    He and Douglas Pearse and Sue Surgeoner, both from the Toronto Guardian Office of the organization, disputed a number of the statements in the articles. They flatly denied that their organization harassed defectors as I had reported.

    A large number of the Canadian or Canadian-related documents told of harassment of the McLean faaily of Sutton, Ont. - Eric and Nan McLean, their two sons and a daughter-in-law - all of whom had left Scientology. Some of the harassment, one Guardian leader's log says, was organized by the Toronto office. In 1974 the Toronto Scientologists said they doubted the authenticity of a document that indicated instructions had gone out to try to steal files from a Better Business Bureau.

    Washington documents - consisting of orders from leaders and reports from agents - describe an international campaign against Better Business Bureaus aimed at the covert scrutiny, and removal if possible, of any files critical of Scientology. Mrs. Surgeoner objected that the 1974 articles give you this picture of the church putting people in chains, and through interrogations.

    Her leaders' files document more than one interrogation and many investigations of members thought to be security risks to the cult, which is administered on military-style command lines. There are details of one member, Michael Meisner, being kept under guard and once being handcuffed and gagged. He turned state's evidence in the U. S. conspiracy trial. Mr. McAiney defended the credentials of the inventor of Scientology, Mr. Hubbard, who was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the U. S. trials and is being investigated by U. S. income tax authorities. The Toronto official said Mr. Hubbard was a civil engineer, an assertion repeated in some cult press releases. Questioned further, he said his leader would have been a graduate engineer, except that his final thesis, given to a friend to deliver, never reached George Washington University.

    The Washington documents include one stolen from the U. S. Government that confirms reports in books the Scientologists have called libelous. Mr. Hubbard did so poorly in his first university year that he was put on probation for his second year, the document says, and he dropped out after doing worse. He got an F in atomic physics, although cult publicity pieces have suggested that he is an authority in that subject.

    Theft Allegation

    Mr. Pearse said, during a 1974 visit to the Globe's offices to complain about the articles, that security was a problem. We have to be alert for people from mental health organizations who come in and steal files.

    According to many of the Washington court documents, the gumshoeing is on the other foot in both the United States and Canada.

    The week after the Toronto Scientologists were defining mental health associations as enemies of their movement, one of their colleagues took a job in the Canadian Mental Health Association headquarters. Later that year another Toronto member took a full-time job there and a third one had a part-time job.

    Documents submitted to the court in the U. S. case included Guardian office reports that the Scientologists had Penetrated Toronto mental health hospital and established an agent as director of volunteers.

    There were reports of clandestine monitoring of the CMHA files and of the covert disruption of agencies critical of Mr. Hubbard's theories, which he has claimed have improved people's mental health and cured physical ailments.

    One report from a Toronto official who signed, Love, Jaan, told his superiors in the United States he had a way of finding out what the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons might have on Scientology.

    The report said Jaan had an operative who is a legitimate MD ... in the process of getting registered in the province of Ontario as a physician. ...

    It said he was having her line up a personal interview with J. C. Dawson, then the college's registrar, to see what he has on us.

    In a recent interview, Dr. Dawson said he could not recall any such interview. He said the college a few years before had submitted a short brief on Scientology to an Ontario Government committee probing sectarian healing.

    One document submitted to the Washington court was the report of a Scientology agent who said he had thoroughly checked out (the method was not specified) the Vancouver office of the World Federation of Mental Health.

    The report said the agent found nothing about Scientology, as expected, but he did send his superiors a letter he found on a desk, commenting: Thought you'd be interested.

    I didn't see that letter in my combing of the thousands of files seized by the FBI, but there were other health agency documents and references in covering letters from Toronto Guardians to such material.

    There was a prompt reaction from George Rohn, managing director of the Canadian Mental Health Association, and his assistant, Hilda Mackow, when I asked them about the references in the report to Mr. Hubbard about clandestine operations against their organization.

    They said that some time back they discovered that they had employed at least three members of the Church of Scientology, and that during part of that time Scientologists had demonstrated against the CMHA outside the mental health organization's Toronto offices.

    The files submitted to the court in Washington contained many reports of Scientology having agents in Better Business Bureau offices and of the acquisition of BBB documents critical of the cult's business practices with its clients.

    Among the court documents that had been seized from the U.S. headquarters of the cult was a report summarizing the contents of files on Scientology in both U.S. and Canadian BBBs. And as I have reported in the past, the files of the Edmonton bureau were stolen.

    Canadian public libraries have also lost books critical of Scientology and articles have been scissored out of their magazines. Files in various newspaper libraries have been rifled.

    There was a deja vu feeling as I read through the voluminous files in the Washington District Courthouse, in which I found the church referring to me at times by the code names Marta or Martello.

    I read FBI item 5871, the report of a Scientology agent planted in the Clearwater Sun, a newspaper that had helped expose the fact that a group buying up property there was a Scientology front.

    Conversations Listed

    The agent was itemizing - for 15 offices of the church - conversations reporters there were having with me.

    A great deal more attention was paid to two other Canadians in Florida, Nan McLean and her son, John, who with other members of their family had defected from the movement and campaigned against it. They had been invited to Florida to brief journalists and politicians about the cult. John had served with Mr. Hubbard aboard his flag ship, and one item submitted to the Washington court said that he helped the U. S. tax men with information.

    Mrs. McLean was a Scientology minister in Toronto, but quit in disillusionment in 1972, along with the rest of her family.

    Now dedicated to getting people out of the cult, she finds that documents from the court case help her persuade them.

    She was the only other Canadian beside myself who worked through masses of the files after the court ordered them released.

    She was particularly delighted when she found documents referring to Scientologists' efforts to break up her family and to harass family members in other ways since their defection.

    One was a report written in May, 1975, by a U. S. Guardian called Flavian, suggesting an agent planted in the McLean household could help break up the family.

    Mrs. McLean said in an interview her family had taken in a young man who claimed he was also a defector (a favorite cover story, according to court documents from the U. S. cult offices describing how agents should be trained). He lived a month with them and later tried unsuccessfully to get police to take some kind of action against the McLeans.

    As I reported in July, 1974, there had been numerous hate calls from the McLeans to neighbors and others. Members of the family were accused of everything frrm embezzlement to sexual immorality. The article prompted a nine-page written denial by Mr. McAiney of the Toronto Scientologists.

    The Washington files contain a variety of Guardian office scripts written for members recruited to make harassing phone calls and to play other roles. Some, loaded with foul language of a sexual and blasphemous sort, were for church agents who would act as mistresses or prostitutes to frame U. S. government and private-agency officials.

    In the court documents there also were passing references pointing to an aborted breaking-and-entering attempt in Toronto.

    In October, 1975, two men named Michael Chornopesky and Allen Coulson had pleaded guilty to possession of burglary tools. They had been found at night the previous April in a locked section of a downtown Toronto office building, and Mr. Chornopesky said the two intended to use some highly professional lock-picking equipment to enter a particular law office in the building. First offenders, they were given suspended sentences after a brief hearing.

    In 1975 I reported that Mr. Chornopesky and Mr. Coulson had been members of the Toronto Guardian's office of the cult at the time of their arrest and that the law office they were going to enter had contained files to be used the next day in the McLean's defence agianst a Scientology lawsuit.

    There's another cryptic reference in the Washington documents: Box 67, Folder 90, Volume 1 of 2. Dated Jan. 13, 976, it reads: Operating Targets - Channel A - FSM (field staff memeers) to case out Baskin's office and have full knowledge of his area.

    ...end excerpt...
     
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