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  1. Tanchi

    Tanchi Patron with Honors

    I only plan to lurk and read, but sometimes I have to ask Qs. I've never been in.
     
  2. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    Welcome, ask away! :welcome:
     
  3. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Welcome Tanchi. We do allow laughter also but it is not required Enjoy your lurking and reading.
     
  4. Tanchi

    Tanchi Patron with Honors

    Thank you for the welcome!
     
  5. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime


    :welcome2:

     
  6. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Welcome. As you have posted, I assume you have at least one question right now. . . .

    Paul
     
  7. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

  8. Tanchi

    Tanchi Patron with Honors

    Not really. Im still looking around. Big place!!
     
  9. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Welcome!

    If this is all too much - OT III provides "Freedom From Overwhelm".
    _____
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?23712-Books-Scientology-Doesn-t-Want-You-To-Read

    http://www.cifs.org.au/books.php#Sc

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34590

    Bare Faced Messiah:
    http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/bfm/bfmindex.htm
    _____
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...-for-newcomers&p=519341&viewfull=1#post519341


    Cult Awareness and Information Centre
    http://www.culthelp.info/

    http://www.cifs.org.au/index.php Cult Information and Family Support

    http://www.altreligionscientology.org/

    http://www.Factnet.org Lawrence Wollersheim's Cult information site

    http://www.xenu.net Andreas Heldal-Lund's Operation Clambake

    http://www.lermanet.com Arnie Lerma's 4500+ pages of Exposing the Con

    http://www.xenutv.com Mark Bunker's Video & Audio archives for ex-scns

    http://exscn.net/component/option,co...page/Itemid,1/ Ex Scientologist

    http://www.scientology-cult.com/ - lots of articles


    Open Letter To Mike Rinder From Rovert Vaughn Young
    http://www.lermanet.com/exit/tomikerinder.htm


    Personal Stories of former members

    Former OT 7-telling her story since she left Scientology Tory
    Christman.She Used to be Tory Bezazian http://www.torymagoo.org

    Becoming Free to Shine... http://becomingfreetoshine.wordpress.com/

    http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mystory/
    Friend of Mankind: 4 part documentary compiled from news broadcasts
    http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?p=142

    Scientology - Through the Door - Interviews with ex-members of the Church of Scientology, exploring their reasons for joining, staying, and leaving.
    http://alley.ethercat.com/door/ *Do your's online, too.*

    http://www.lermanet.com/paulette-cooper updated June 2007 Paulette Cooper

    I Escaped Scientology by John Duignan 9/11/07
    http://exscn.net/content/view/60/103/

    OT VIII Michael Pattinson's Experiences
    http://www.lermanet2.com/michaelpattinson/

    http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?cat=174 Maria Pia Gardini. OT VIII, Class 9 Auditor Exposes Scientology

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    The death of L Ron Hubbard: Documents and facts
    http://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbardcoroner/

    Are the mysterious deaths of Lisa McPherson & L. Ron Hubbard
    connected?
    http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/hubbard_death.htm

    Documents Of A Lifetime - the uncensored L. Ron Hubbard papers
    http://www.spaink.net/cos/LRH-bio/lrhpaper.htm

    A PIECE OF BLUE SKY by Jon Atack
    www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/atack/

    Inside Scientology /Dianetics How I Joined Dianetics/Scientology and
    Became Superhuman by Robert Kaufman (1995 revision)
    http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/isd/isd.htm

    Top 20 pages visited on Lermanet.com
    http://www.lermanet2.com/top20.html

    Operation Clambake (aka Xenu.net ) presents: FAQ's
    http://www.xenu.net/cb-faq.html

    The Scientology Critical Information Directory
    Documenting critical information in the news and on the web
    http://www.xenu-directory.net

    These, along with the list below, are just a FEW OF THE MANYsites with valuable information COS & OSA do not want you to access. Their fear is that you will find information that will prompt you to question matters that you have every right to question. That is what freedom is all about.

    These sites are not placed in any particular order outside of
    category:

    http://www.antisectes.net Roger Gonnet, Fmr Pres. of Lyon Org/ Lyon Assocs in France (In French)

    http://www.lisamcpherson.org Jeff Jacobsen's site dedicated to Lisa, a CoS victim

    http://www.xenu-directory.net The critics 'Who What where'

    http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

    http://www.carolineletkeman.org/ Refund and Reparation

    http://www.factnet.org/

    http://www.freewebs.com/chuckbeatty77

    http://www.lisamcpherson.org

    http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk/stolgy_0.htm Hartley Patterson ARSCC

    http://www.lermanet.com/faqs.html

    http://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm Tory on OSA

    http://www.holysmoke.org

    http://www.operatingthetan.com/ Keith Henson

    http://www.stop-narconon.org

    Dave Touretzky's ' The COS's Wacky secrets' 4 the Critical study of Scientology
    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/

    We ex-members have our own org right here on the net....
    http://www.suppressiveperson.org/

    http://www.perkinstragedy.org Jeremy & Elle Perkins Tragedy

    http://www.raids.org Scientology Raided around the world


    http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com Lisa McPherson story (video)

    http://www.paulettecooper.com/

    http://www.modemac.com/cos

    http://www.scientology-lies.com. Kristi Wachter's site

    http://www.scientologydisconnection.com/

    http://truthaboutscientology.com Critical Facts, COS Stats and info

    http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com

    http://warrior.xenu.ca/ Mark Plummer's Archives

    http://www.solitarytrees.net/ Ted Mayette & Friends

    http://www.operatingthetan.com/ Keith Henson News

    http://www.crackpots.org/ NarCONon is Scientology!

    http://www.skeptictank.org/ Fredric L. Rice

    http://xenutv.wordpress.com/ THE WOG BLOG from XENU TV

    http://free-from-scientology.blogspo...s-on-what.html Tom Weeks

    http://cgi.amazing.com/scientology/

    http://www.scamofscientology.nl

    Archives of The Lisa McPherson Trust
    http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/l...son/the_trust/

    David Mayo, ex Scientology proponent, talks of the 20 page despatch from L. Ron Hubbard to him, 1983-84 talk. YouTube video http://tinyurl.com/399r95

    Operation Clambake presents: Hubbard Audio Collection -These are audio files in MP3 , WAV or RealAudio formats. The recording is actually L Ron Hubbard talking about these subjects: BTs | The Christ Game | Dumping | Friends | Frozen | Helicopter | No Christ | The Obscene Dog | Roman Catholicism | Van Allen | Venus | The Casbah | Espinol | Helatrobus Goals | Crowley | Jupiter | God | Inventing God | Yahweh | Calculus | Gamma Rays | God Dynamic | Know | Knowledge | Mars | Prison Planet | Ron the Mathematician | Smoking | Venusian | Blindness | Babies | Crocodile | Negro | Tech80 | Tech88
    http://www.xenu.net/archive/multimedia.html

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    New additions:

    Letters to a Scientologist by Sasha Zbitnoff, 2nd Gen ex-Scn
    http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/sasha1.htm


    Karen Pressley (formerly Karen Schless Pressley)
    Escaping Scientology: An Insider's True Story
    http://www.xenu-directory.net/critics/pressley1.html

    http://karenpressley.com/EscapingScientology.htm Help Stop The Suppression of Ex-Member Free Speech:
    Support the book by Karen Pressley (formerly Karen Schless Pressley)
    http://tinyurl.com/3a8guz

    http://www.amazon.com/Escaping-Scien...e-Story/dp/159...

    http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/liens-bookmarks.htm

    Celebrity Critics of Scientology - Celebrities against
    Scientology
    http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/celebcrit.html

    CoS fears Hollywood's Mark Ebner
    http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/?s=scientology


    Scientology critical sites: Other Language Sites:
    (Google has a translator http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en)

    Jean-Luc Barbier's
    CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY IN EUROPA : US CULT GO HOME!
    http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/english-index.htm#H

    MIEI ANNI IN SCIENTOLOGY Autore: MARIA PIA GARDINI (OT VIII / Cl 9)
    & ALBERTO LAGGIA (Italy)
    http://xenu.com-it.net/txt/mariapia05.htm


    Declarations from the scientology official to the IRS
    http://www.xenufrance.net

    http://www.antisectes.net by Roger Gonnet, Fmr Pres. Lyon Org/
    LyonAssoc. France Official texts, legal judgements, expertises, governmental reports on scientology and its employees (From France, in french)
    http://www.antisectes.net/index-law.htm
    http://scientologie.fraude.free.fr
    http://ccdh.critique.free.fr
    http://narconon.critique.free.fr

    http://www.scamofscientology.nl

    http://www.holysmoke.org/theta.htm

    French translations of Lisa McPherson Trust
    http://www.antisectes.net/indexlmt.htm

    http://xenu.com-it.net/ Italian Clam Bake

    http://xenu.com-it.net/update.htm

    Jean-Luc Barbier Anti-scientologie
    http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/index.html#H

    German Wochen-Review aus der alt.religion.scientology, seit 1995
    http://www.religio.de/publik/arsfaq.html

    Scam of Scientology (Netherlands) by Peter Schilte,aka 'Navy'
    http://www.scamofscientology.nl/

    Here is a site that containspress coverage in many languages:
    http://www.moreaboutscientologycult.eu

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    Message Boards & Groups

    http://groups.google.com/group/alt.r...ntology/topics....alt.religion.scientology

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XSO/ - XSO For Ex Sea Org Members

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/ OCMB - Operation Clambake Message Board

    http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/ - Factnet Forum

    http://forum.exscn.net/ - ESMB - Ex Scientologists Message Board

    http://forum.rickross.com/ - Cult Education Forum

    http://exscientologykids.com/eskforu...80be84d107189e - ESK - Ex Scientology Kids Forum

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/ WWP - Why We Protest (Anonymous)

    http://www.scnforum.org/index.php?t=...b79034ae8249bc Scientology Forum - Gier Isene

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    Blogs of importance ( send me links. This section under
    construction ;)

    http://askthescientologist.blogspot.com/ Ask The Scientologist

    http://larrybren.blogspot.com/ - Larry Brennan

    http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/ Leaving Scientology - Jeff Hawkins

    http://mybillionyearcontract.com/ My Billion Year Contract - Nancy Many

    http://blownforgood.com/ BFG Blown For Good - Marc Headley

    http://isene.wordpress.com/ - Gier Isene

    http://whenandnow.wordpress.com/ When and Now

    http://caliwog.wordpress.com/ - Caliwog

    http://alanzosblog.blogspot.com/2009...sm-part-1.html - Alanzo's Blog

    http://bts2free.blogspot.com/2009/10...roduction.html - Scientology: Behind the Curtain BTs2Free John Peeler

    http://ronthewarhero.org/ Ron the War Hero

    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/ Moving on Up a Little Higher

    http://news-from-bree.blogspot.com/ Hartley Patterson

    http://scientology-facts.blogspot.com/ Facts About Scientology by Shy David

    http://stopscientology.blogspot.com/

    http://wollersheim.blogspot.com/ Lawrence Wollersheim FactNet Blog

    http://www.religionnewsblog.com/ Not afraid to post news critical of CoS

    http://free-from-scientology.blogspot.com Formerly Fooled

    http://blog.ensifer.com/ Ensifer

    http://www.blogtoplist.com/rss/scientology.html

    http://clamicide.livejournal.com/ Tales of Scientology

    http://bfhu.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/286/ Scientology Inside the Cult

    http://www.theskepticsguide.org/sgublog/?p=53

    http://scientologytm.blogspot.com/ Scientologytm blog

    Top 10 Problems With Scientology http://tinyurl.com/2rn59v


    Facts about Scientology as a religion: Web sites of importance:

    http://www.bible.ca/scientology.htm "If you ain't got money.. ...."


    http://contenderministries.org/scientology.php

    Why Christians Object to Scientology:
    http://www.ctlibrary.com/ct/2000/september4/8.93.html

    Is Scientology compatible with Christianity? Let's ask L. Ron Hubbard
    www.skeptictank.org/compat.htm

    Church of Scientology Research resources, News, and News Archive
    http://www.apologeticsindex.org/s04a.html

    http://www.sweenytod.com/cos/ Scientology and Christianity Examined

    http://www.religiousshunning.org The Committee on Religious Shunning Tom Cruise vs. Karen Schless Pressley-Scientology War of the Worlds

    Scientology Comparative Religion This web site was created to promote the scholarly study of the beliefs and practices of Dianetics and Scientology
    www.ezlink.com/~perry/CoS/Theology/index.htm

    More Noteworthy sites:

    Transcript: Q & A on Scientology w/ Richard Leiby, Washington Post 2005 http://tinyurl.com/djfch

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn.../2005/07/06/DI...

    STOP-WISE.BIZ >> Help for Scientology WISE victims
    http://stop-wise.biz/index.html#WISE

    Ulf Brettstam 'psychiatric evaluation of El Ron H'
    A psychiatric view with comments on the Admissions by Lafayette Ronald Hubbard From: Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam
    http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-...admissions.htm

    Subliminal Shock Therapy? Examination of the Scientology E-Meter
    http://www.lermanet.com/exit/shock.htm

    Dianetics Reviews from 1950 - or Dianetics may kill ( Corrected ) http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/dianetics-might-kill.htm

    The E-Meter Papers.
    http://www.lermanet.com/e-metershort.htm

    A Critic looks at the Church of Scientology
    http://www.lisamcpherson.org/cos/index.htm

    Declaration of Don Larson ( Fmr Int Finance Exec,) 1988
    http://www.xenutv.com/blog/?p=2443

    Scientology in the UK Media
    http://cosmedia.freewinds.cx/media/uk2007.html

    Martin Poulter Scientology Criticism (UK)
    http://cosmedia.freewinds.be/

    Dan Garvin's Story
    http://www.lermanet.com/exit/DanGarvin.htm

    Scientology & Dianetics - Tax-exempt Child Abuse and Neglect ?
    http://www.taxexemptchildabuse.net/

    Making Law, Making Enemies' about Helena Kobrin & Scientology
    The American Lawyer March 1996
    www.skeptictank.org/makelaw.htm


    Edith Ervin's Story on Scientology
    http://www.lisamcpherson.org/cos/editherv.htm

    What Christians Need to Know about Scientology - by Margery
    Wakefield (1991)
    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/S...hristians.html

    Scientology's Human Rights Abuses and Victims Stories
    http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/dianetics_abuse.html

    The Great Universe Corps Rip Off!! posted on OCMB by mr_bad
    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=15904

    ==============================
    Truth is what sets us free. Never give up your right to seek and have truth. Having it makes a world of difference. Believe me. Better yet, find out for yourself by visiting these helpful sites.

    ==========================
    Sincerely,
    Mary McConnell
    rev. Dec 09, 2007"
     
  10. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Most all of the snipped items tell you what's bad in Scientology and (usually quite accurately) why it's bad.

    In another vein, Clearbird has done a good job of accurately rewriting Hubbard's technical stuff so it's comprehensible (as much as possible with Scn). This link is the stuff up to Clear:
    http://www.freezoneearth.org/Clearbird/Clearbird2004/index.htm

    And if you really like shooting up the hard stuff, there's always the free 24/7 sessions from PaulsRobot. The Scn section of PaulsRobot3 is here (it's not nearly as good as most of the non-Scn stuff there):
    http://paulsrobot3.com/scn/index.htm

    But it won't make much sense. :)

    Paul
     
  11. Ogsonofgroo

    Ogsonofgroo Crusader

    'Nother :welcome: Tanchi!

    Enjoy your lurking-time here!
    So much to digest it may take a while to get your head around it all, but its all good in the long run and provides an excellent form of inoculation against mind-control manipulations for all sorts/varieties of culty activity, above and beyond just CoS and its various Hydra-like tentacles.
    As also a 'never-in' I can appreciate the morbid fascination of understanding such abstracts, been at this for over 10 years now (oh man that makes me feel elder lololo) as a critic/observer/student-of-human-nature, and still, to this day, keep finding surprises and insights, like a never ending Easter egg hunt.
    There are many, many good folks here, and they carry with them a wealth of knowledge and levels of compassion and understanding that are often hard to find these days, I am very proud to call some of them my friends as well!
    It beats the shit outta twittering selfies on failbook with imaginary friends :p

    :cheers:
     
  12. Tanchi

    Tanchi Patron with Honors

    Thanks to everyone. My question today is.. How much Hubbard/Dianetics/Sci.. doctrine do you think you retain? I ask because I don't believe everything in Xtian bibles, and folklore. But my indoctrination is strong, and I have always been fascinated with cults and cultic behaviour. Since I have been reading about Scientology cult, I'm feeling my foundations quiver a little.
     
  13. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Retain as in remember, or retain as in have assimilated and don't question?

    And that second category subdivides into (simplistically) true and false.

    Example: "man is basically good" is a fundamental Scn doctrine. But is it true?

    Paul
     
  14. Tanchi

    Tanchi Patron with Honors

    Mostly assimilated, but! Sometimes my little memories surprise me, eg, scripture, bible stories. (Plagiarised as they may be).

    Man good.. Hmm, I think that depends on where ya from. I trust people from my neck of the woods. A different story is me in a large town, or small city, or a casino, places where I have a very low level of trust!!

    Ty.
     
  15. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Just my opinion, I think one has to try to separate out their own inherent qualities and personality quirks first because Scientology indoctrination can appeal to something that is already in your nature and amplify it. And as you age these same qualities can become more inflexible and interwoven with age related cognitive issues. I think the later in life an individual realizes they have been conned and tries to separate out these 3 factors the more difficult it can be.

    Scientology basically instills a system of reasoning whereby a person categorizes problems, solutions and observations according to LRH's precepts instead of using common sense. I think the Tone Scale is extremely destructive in this regard as it teaches that people are to be classified instead of understood and it doesn't allow for maturity, experience and growth that takes time. LRH isn't the only one to push this and the idea that people can be quickly and neatly pigeon-holed is very inviting.

    Scientology teaches that there is causation behind everything - or, that there should be and you should strive for control and responsibility of it. But life just isn't like that. It's random and ridiculous and you must allow for time to play it's role in revealing outcomes. Life is easier if your thinking is flexible and patient but Scientology makes your thinking rigid and tries to compress time so you stress over things that you cannot change and reach wrong conclusions because you don't allow for unpredictable consequences to unfold.

    I enjoy Scio watching because it is fascinating the consistency with which LRH and everything the Church has done since is so illogical and results in consequences that are so completely opposite of what they try to achieve in spite of all their cleverness, glib truisms and assertions that they alone understand logic.
     
  16. Tanchi

    Tanchi Patron with Honors

    questions about independent Sci...

    Thanks for all responses!! I've been mulling them over today. Let me preface these questions by saying, 1) I type from my phone, I have pain in my wrists, so I try to be as succinct as possible. 2) I ask because I just want to know and compare, not to judge.

    So enough build-up. As an Indie, or OTC, How closely do you adhere to Hubbard's scripture, practices, or advices? For instance, Fair Game policies? Hubbard wasn't the first to think of this. I'm thinking of Ferdinand and Isabella' s inquiringness, and Galileo.

    And do yall go to doctors now? Still do the Purification Rundown?
    Is your church or org still Anti-Psychiatry?

    Ty!
     
  17. guanoloco

    guanoloco As-Wased

    We're X Scientologists.

    There are Indies here but for the most part we are not Scientologists nor practicing Scientology.

    BTW, welcome
     
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  18. Tanchi

    Tanchi Patron with Honors

    Noted. Ty!
     
  19. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    Re: questions about independent Sci...

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    Ex-Scientologists are pretty much the same as ordinary folk, like the general (non-Scn) population in every respect--except for one (1):

    Former Scientologists are more street smart. They have the "wisdom" of having been mugged. And thus, they are more discerning and disciplined on what neighborhoods are safe to walk through--and which to avoid at all costs.

    HELPFUL TIP: Scientology is a part of any culture's ecosystem--the ghetto. In that part of town, the local heroes are the grinning pimps and street corner drug dealers hawking their feel-good Kool-Aid. These are the "winning" and "total cause" ones who made it big. Anyone can clearly see their up-stat-ness by the flash and bling they adorn themselves with.


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  20. Tanchi

    Tanchi Patron with Honors

    Yep, Tom is blingalicious. He has the biggest bling of all the thugdaddy's..Snoop, puffy/pdiddy, Biggie Smalls. That is one stupid lookin medallion.