NEW Movie: The Spellcasters - Hollywood, Scientology, The CIA and the Truth Movement

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  1. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

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    If he respects you tell him to come here if he wants to fix things. I don't know if anyone here will go out of their way just because someone said something false in a film about Scn. There are false statements made about Scn all over the place, especially by the cult itself. Falsehoods about Scn here on ESMB tend to get pounced on hard; outside ESMB not so much.

    Paul
     
  2. Lillywhite

    Lillywhite New Member

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    Thanks for the advice Paul.
     
  3. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime

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    I think I found the list...


    Scientology Banned Books List

    1. Books not authored by L. Ron Hubbard

    2. Books not stolen and misrepresented to be authored by L. Ron Hubbard

    3. Books by a doctor and a nuclear physicist are exempted.


     
  4. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

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    LOL

    And who can forget the truthseekingness & indicatingness of earnestly grinning Scientologists at Flag (and other suspension-of-disbelief Hubbard religious retreats) reading and passing around their copies of:

    "BEHOLD A PALE HORSE"

    "HOLY BLOOD HOLY GRAIL"

    In Scientology, it's perfectly okay to read such supposition-masquerading-as-research, pseudoscientific, lunatic-fringe books

    In Scientology, it's perfectly okay to read Hubbard's own supposition-masquerading-as-research, pseudoscientific, lunatic-fringe books.

    But, in Scientology, it's a "HIGH CRIME" to read any of the brilliantly researched, treble-fact-checked, eyewitness-corroborated, perfectly accurate books written about Hubbard and Scientology by journalists and cult survivors.

    CONCLUSION: In Scientology, acceptable truths are acceptable. And acceptable lies are acceptable. And, in fact, any lies are acceptable--as long as they promote a mindset that encourages the requisite magical thinking, delusion & paranoia that trigger the sacred religious rite known as donating.
     
  5. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

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    How is it you can tell that the film itself is not a form of mind control?
     
  6. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

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    Here are several references to LRH’s having been involved in “Intelligence”. In both cases the idea is being promoted by LRH and/or Scientology organization as either a shore story for his involvement with Jack Parsons or to inflate his biography. I would suggest that any further capitalization on the notion that there was a significant connection with the intelligence community based on these particular assertions is to reinforce the Church’s own goals and not a furtherance of the truth.

    Having said that, I do believe LRH and the Church would like to cultivate a beneficial relationship with government and private intelligence agencies if possible, in order to provide legal and PR cover and to open diplomatic doors. The problem is, the Church is paranoid of infiltration and the intelligence community probably figures they are nuts.

    All levels of the Sea Org are inculcated with ideas of compartmentalization, confidentiality, dossier building and reporting which emulate intelligence operations behavior and I think it is fair to say that the Sea Org culture holds the intelligence community in simultaneous contempt and envious regard.

    When you have been it it you develop a sense for what is likely with these people given their value system and self delegated moral authority but within that framework just about anything is possible.
    _____
    A Piece of Blue Sky by Jon Atack

    http://www.instinct.org/texts/bluesky/bs2-6.htm

    Hubbard broke up black magic in America: Dr. Jack Parsons of Pasadena, California, was America's Number One solid fuel rocket expert. He was involved with the infamous English black magician Aleister Crowley who called himself "The Beast 666." Crowley ran an organization called the Order of Templars Orientalis [sic, actually "Ordo Templi Orientis"] over the world which had savage and bestial rites. Dr. Parsons was head of the American branch located at 100 Orange Grove Avenue [actually 1003 South Orange Grove Avenue], Pasadena, California. This was a huge old house which had paying guests who were the U.S.A. nuclear physicists working at Cal. Tech. Certain agencies objected to nuclear physicists being housed under the same roof.
    L. Ron Hubbard was still an officer of the U.S. Navy because [sic] he was well known as a writer and a philosopher and had friends amongst the physicists, he was sent in to handle the situation. He went to live at the house and investigated the black magic rites and the general situation and found them very bad.
    Parsons wrote to Crowley in England about Hubbard. Crowley "the Beast 666" evidently detected an enemy and warned Parsons. This was all proven by the correspondence unearthed by the Sunday Times. Hubbard's mission was successful far beyond anyone's expectations. The house was torn down. Hubbard rescued a girl they were using. The black magic group was dispersed and destroyed and has never recovered. The physicists included many of the sixty-four top U .S. scientists who were later declared insecure and dismissed from government service with so much publicity.
    _____
    http://www.instinct.org/texts/bluesky/bs2-4.htm

    Hubbard also referred to his time in Naval Intelligence, and much is made of this experience by Scientologists. On his U.S. Navy Reserve commission papers, issued in July, 1941, he was designated a volunteer for "Special Service (Intelligence duties)," an assignment he requested. His service record shows that when he was eventually called to permanent active duty in November, he was indeed posted as an "intelligence officer." The expression conjures up cloak and dagger images better associated with the CIA's forerunner, the Office of Strategic Services, which did not exist at that time. Although the U.S. was not yet at war, France had fallen and the Japanese threat was recognized. The U.S. Navy was on a major recruiting drive when Hubbard was commissioned. The duties of intelligence officers at that time were largely routine, including the censorship of letters, and the collection, compilation and distribution of information. Hubbard nominally served in this capacity for five months, spending much of that time either in transit or in training.
     
  7. pineapple

    pineapple Patron with Honors

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    Okay, thanks. I thought maybe they'd cooked up an actual list by now. The Catholic Church had an "Index of Forbidden Books" until the 1960's.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum

    I remember a fad for the works of T. Lopsang Rampa, who wrote several pseudo-mystical pseudo-Tibetan books like "The Third Eye."

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    At the time, I assumed these were intended as fiction. It wasn't 'til years later I learned Rampa claimed they were actual fact. Rampa also, in common with LRH, claimed to have visited Venus.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa
     
  8. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

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    I'm pretty sure Plan 9 From Outer Space was on the Scientology banned list. I'm not sure if it was because it too restimulative of incident 2 or because it was just better F-Grade Sci-Fi than Battlefield Earth.
     
  9. ILove2Lurk

    ILove2Lurk Lisbeth Salander

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    2016-08-10 14_32_32-TheSneakster's DOX thread.jpg
    :whistling:
     
  10. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

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    Yes, I remember him and his books. I believe he was actually a milkman from Weston-Super-Mare (well, I made that bit up). I remember he'd come out with all the mystical stuff in his books and than end by begging his readers to send him some dough because being a guru wasn't really very rewarding financially. Maybe he should have taken a leaf out of Laffy's book.
     
  11. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

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    One of which was the Bible in English.
    I read that link and there's no mention of freight trains.

    Rampa must have visited the tropical getaway locations rather than the main cities.
     
  12. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

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    By his 3rd or 4th book much of his writing was devoted toward dealing with constipation. Kind of like his version of BTs.
     
  13. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

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    Close enough. He was a plumber from Plympton, Devon according to Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa

    Paul
     
  14. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

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    Yeah, I knew there was something dodgy about him. I could have looked it up but I just couldn't be arsed. :biggrin:
     
  15. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Gold Meritorious Sponsor

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    I believe you may have inadvertently forgotten one tell-all autobiographical expose. . .



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    Brilliant & hilarious book cover graphic was provided through a generous grant of rights from the ILove2Lurk Foundation, a non-profit entity dedicated to a world without pathetic art. Thank you!

    (ps: each time i look at that artwork, I am still LOL)
     
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  16. Lillywhite

    Lillywhite New Member

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    Nice baiting. All forms of media can be considered mind control. What is exposed is the weaponization of mind control techniques purposely being used to control, shape and direct the masses
     
  17. Cat's Squirrel

    Cat's Squirrel Gold Meritorious Patron

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    There's an online archive of Rampa's books, although there are words missing so the text doesn't always make sense;

    http://www.lobsangrampa.org/research-material.html
     
  18. oneonewasaracecar

    oneonewasaracecar Gold Meritorious Patron

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    Although the question is pretty confronting, it is a good question and certainly not bait.

    If the video you have provided contains considerable untruth, but is able to convince people that it is true, it could be considered mind control (I would just use the word 'propaganda' as I don't have a clear definition of mind control). It all hinges on whether or not the video represents the truth.

    We know some of facts about Scientology have not been reported accurately so it is at least a little inaccurate. If the video is more than just a little inaccurate, it could be considered mind control. If the video is more than just a little inaccurate, maybe the claims about mind control are not accurate either. I think George was inviting you to consider some of those possibilities.

    People on this board are incredibly familiar with Scientology propaganda videos, often produced in a facility in Hemet, California. Some people here have worked there. Perhaps George looked at the video and noticed an eerie familiarity.
     
  19. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

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    Thanks for posting that list Cat's. Ya know what - so many of those titles seem familiar I must have read more of his books than I'd care to admit.
     
  20. Cat's Squirrel

    Cat's Squirrel Gold Meritorious Patron

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    Me too. I said more about him in this post;

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...l-Not-Answer&p=1023581&viewfull=1#post1023581

    He was certainly popular at one time, and had a big following. One reason was that his books were published by Corgi in paperback and were very cheap - less than a pound each in the late 70s (when I bought them).
     

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