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  1. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    Before anyone can begin auditing on OTIX or OTX the funds will need to be raised for Solar Winds. That is the ONLY place any auditing can be done on the OTIX, OTX, but there will need to be some hefty contributions made because everyone knows that Space Stations don't come cheap.
  2. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    MB, do you even know what hyperbole means?


    Of course Hubbard used hyprbole

    What do you think the state of "clear" and "OT" are, they are only hyperbole!

    And yes, they are outright lies.
  3. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

  4. Irayam

    Irayam Patron with Honors

    OK... I don't have so much time, but I can try to write OT IX.

    It's called "the OUCH! Assist":yes:
    The unique (but repetitive) command is:
    "Feel my price"
    "Thank you"
    The process is run until the guy blow:happydance:

    (In fact it is a very succinct summary of the whole process of $cientology:clap:)
    La boucle est bouclée!

  5. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Here's something to consider, the whole concept, idea, of OT 9 & 10, are only in the bubble world of scientology. The rest of the billions of people on planet earth have no idea what OT9 & 10 mean. :roflmao:

    Let alone what "clear" or "OT" mean? :roflmao:
  6. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Propaganda is but derived from rhethoric:



    In my view, dianetics and scietology are just a view of Hubbards world view, which turns out to be false, sure it's a hellvahoax and a con, but I think hubbard beleived hisself to be right, and used every think of writing, or literacy device known to man, to convince.

    And, he said, at the end to Sarge, he failed,

    no shit, LOL
  7. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    I trimmed down your post to a few salient points.

    I agree. The Xenu effect must be extremely angst worthy so the security precautions to avoid any leaks will be so intense that it will cause people to leave. This will result in a concentrated core of unquestioning true believers, not just for public but for staff who handle the material.

    The few public who can be trusted enough to receive the OT levels will be worth hundreds of thousands or millions and have power of influence over other high profile public so the risk of losing them to incredulity is too high.

    LRH made a big mistake by getting so detailed in the BT mythology. From the way he puts it, it sounds like Xenu is the only one to create a truly workable spiritual technology. It can degrade a thetan into a stable BT state for 75 million years and Scientology is not able to reverse the process. This is of course, unless the new OT levels are specifically designed to audit out your BT's implants so they no longer have the impulse to cling onto people. That does seem to be the general direction of all this: Handle your BT's drug problem, handle your BT's past life getting mixed up with your own. Are your BTs out of valence or have MUs?

    It was acceptable to morph Freudian concepts into spiritual premises until it became good old fashioned exorcism with a twist. Now we have to pay through the nose for our case plus all these other very difficult BT cases. Altruism has its limits. It starts to look like a paranoid schizophrenic was desperately trying to work his way through a serious case of writer's block and in a moment of self congratulatory excitement told too many people about it to back off and make it all go away so he had to double down.

    The only way new OT levels could be released is if they are sensible enough to make up for the earlier BT ridiculousness. If this were a TV series it would be time to employ the "Dream Sequence".
  8. Victoria

    Victoria Patron Meritorious

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    The saint hill size thing has always been a problem. I was never able to get it clarified when I asked. Things were always hinging on St. Hill size, but when I asked around public as well as S.O. nobody really knew what the exact definition was.

    I don't think there is a specific written definition. That's why I used to get so frustrated with this 5X S.H. stuff.

    This excerpt from Peter Bonais book sorta sums up for me, in my experience how just about everyone saw the myth of Saint Hill size.

    This was before DM's regime when I was in. It seems DM has defined it, but how widely known is this I wonder, among the currently faithful.
  9. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    I vaguely recall a program that specified exactly what "5X SH size" requirements were (ie tek to admin staff ratio and student points range and all that nonsense).

    I expect Paul will remember.


  10. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Yuppers, although I only remember about two things: 1000 WDAHs a week and 200 students on major courses (Academy Levels, SHSBC etc) on a regular basis, not a one-week peak. At the time there was a nice booklet with pictures and quotes from oldies who were at SH at the time (1964-66). I'll always remember Monica Quirino's quote: we didn't put much attention on the stats as such, just produced what we were supposed to, and the stats just seemed to go up week after week (paraphrased). When I first saw that I thought, yeah, that's how it's supposed to be. Huh.

    But the point I'm making is that it was very precise what the stats needed to be to have a SH-sized org, and it wasn't in the least vague. That was before any orgs actually made it, though. :)

    Now, later, when the Dwarf saw how hard it was to actually achieve these figures, not as a one-week stay-up-6-days-in-a-row spike but routinely week after week, things got very fudged. And it became fudgier and fudgier. But at one time it was very precise.

  11. strativarius

    strativarius Comfortably Numb

    I used to hang around Saint Hill a lot in those years (1964/66). The place was heaving with Americans, Aussies, South Africans and lots of European and Scandinavian students. The SHSBC was packed to the rafters, and we staff (I was helping out in div 6 at the time) were allowed to go into the solarium and listen to Hubbard giving the lectures live to the briefing course students over an extension speaker. When the talk was over he'd come to the solarium door and smile and wave at us as we applauded him.

    I often ran into him walking along the drive, and I always used to get flustered when he'd say 'how're you doing'? Instead of just saying 'great' or 'fine' or something, I felt I should be a bit more verbose and ended up looking like a prize pratt. Well, I was only 17 and completely in awe of him, and I was sure he could read my mind.

    Then the ban on students coming to the UK to do scientology came into force, eventually Hubbard took off, and really it was never quite the same again.
  12. CommunicatorIC

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  13. mockingbird

    mockingbird Silver Meritorious Patron

    I think any OT IX and X announcement without David Miscavige is just a bait and switch to get Scientologists to come in and donate money for a service they will never receive.
  14. AngeloV

    AngeloV Gold Meritorious Patron

    OT IX and X as all of the other OT levels, will be as useless a shoes for a snake.
  15. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yep...he would have announced it at the New Years event and we would be hearing all about it by now
  16. Jump

    Jump Operating teatime

    Is this the Scientological equivalent to Zeno'z Paradox?

    That which is in locomotion must arrive at the half-way stage before it arrives at the goal.

    Xenu's Paradox:

    That which is in locomotion toward a new OT Level must arrive at the half-way stage for another regging opportunity before it arrives at the auditor.
  17. prosecco

    prosecco Patron Meritorious

    That's a really good point.
  18. CommunicatorIC

    CommunicatorIC @IndieScieNews on Twitter

  19. Little David

    Little David Silver Meritorious Patron

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  20. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    OK, I have to spoil your hypothesis. Here's the skinny on OT IX and OT X

    OT IX: Orders of Magnitude

    Done solo. This is the process:

    1. Recall a thought. If none come to mind then think one now.
    2. Locate when you thought it? Time, place, form and event (see Scn Axiom 28)
    3. Locate the original source of this thought.
    4. continue with step 1.

    This process is run until all thoughts on your whole-track have been handled.

    OT X: Character

    Done solo.

    1. Invent a beingness.
    2. Decide to be it.
    3. Decide to stop being it.
    4. continue with step 1.

    This process is run until the being can be anything and knows it.

    There is considerable theory and process detail that has been omitted but there you have the levels in a nutshell.

    Please see the FSSO registrar to get signed up.

    Note: Don't let them know you read the processes here or you will have a tech estimate for preps of roughly 1500 hours which could lengthen your runway onto these amazing levels by a considerable margin or could potentially bar your route to spiritual immortality for a billion years (yeah they have now got the bright idea of making you complete a full SO contract before permitting further advancement - so beware. You have been warned.)

    Some may be wondering how long it takes to do these levels. Initial estimates for IX run a minimum of 10 years but could take considerably longer. Slightly less time is required to complete X. These levels can be done at home after your proficiency is assured by FSSO Tech terminals.

    Oh and I forgot the really good news, there will be no 6 month refreshers! Refreshers will be done every 12 months. Come spend a lovely time sipping coca colas in the La Paloma Blanca with your buddies. Special IAS rates apply for donations of $1 million+ (per refresher)
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2016

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