PAC 1977 Rock Slam RPF - Wayne Marple

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  1. Smurf

    Smurf Gold Meritorious SP

  2. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    I would have been a child at the Melrose when this occurred (I would have been 4). My mom would have been at that briefing, as she was ASHO staff at that time. I did not know that this happened back then. I remember that we were moved from the Melrose to the Fountain building (which is straight down LRH Way, next to the parking structure) and we were there for some time, then the ATA (at corner of Fountain and Berendo) was purchased and the older kids were sent over there and that was made into the Cadet Org (I would not have been at the Fountain building too long because you could be a Cadet at age 5).

    I find it very very hard to understand how a parent would put up with this (Now that I have a 5 year old and 2 year old). My mom not only allowed us to be separated and barely ever see us, then shortly after she was sent to the RPF, helped do all the work on the PAC building (big blue), then was deemed incorrectly assigned to the RPF and just kept on in the Sea Org. This year she will "celebrate" 45 years in the Sea Org.

    I just don't understand the attraction whatsoever. After living it for 32 years, I was happy to walk away.
  3. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes, my feelings entirely. I was a public for over 15 years and had many, many staff/SO recruitment interviews but I never gave in.

    I even remember one interview when I was asked what I would do if I had a choice of either joining the Sea Org or leaving Scientology.

    I said I would leave Scientology. Even though I was a believer in the tech I thought the Sea Org, as an organization, was nuts.
  4. F.Bullbait

    F.Bullbait Oh, a wise guy,eh?

    I noticed a perverse sense of pleasure that many folks had when doing all-nighters and enduring lower ethics conditions; much like the 'esprit de corps' some knuckleheads feel when experiencing boot camp. It takes a certain kind of mental makeup to be a long-timer in the SO, meseems.
  5. Bea Kiddo

    Bea Kiddo Crusader

    True, but I think in the case of born and raised in Scn (or the Sea Org), one would join because they know nothing else, and have no idea about anything about the real world (surprisingly there are quite a few of those in the Sea Org still). I endured 17 years in the Sea Org (joined when I was still a child at age 15) before I finally decided I had enough and left and had to learn about everything. It was worth it.
  6. F.Bullbait

    F.Bullbait Oh, a wise guy,eh?

    Hooray for having the flexibility of mind to leave. :thumbsup:

    I can't imagine what it would be like to be raised in those circumstances and indoctrinated in that stuff from birth. Often what we experience when very young tends to become set in concrete and the thinking patterns arising from that are difficult to change.

  7. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

  8. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    FOLO (Flag Operations Liaison Office) was the regional extension of the Flag Bureau and it was located on the ground floor of the Main Building. That entry across from AOLA on the corner of Fountain and N. Berendo Ave./Hubbard Way went straight into FOLO.!1e1!3m2!1sX3r1vBK_f9opj3nKdzZ_pw!2e0!6m1!1e1

    Collectively the orgs in the Los Angeles area were part of PAC (Pacific Area Command) but FOLO was the administrative anchor. However, in reality FOLO was a servant to the CMO (Commodore's Messenger Org) where DM was a young MOD (Messenger On Duty) for R at the time. It would have been virtually impossible for an MOD to not know the intimate details about the PAC RPF and an MOD wields a lot of authority in the name of LRH.

    Around this time there were surveys being conducted on the potential future name of the Complex and the one being emphasized the most was "Pacifica". To my recollection there were problems with this name though. Maybe it was my own perception, but it seemed kind of contrived and like the name had already been favored by someone involved with the survey and they were just trying to back it up with the survey. Like Flag, the Los Angeles orgs were now all in one place where it clearly was a "Base" per public perception as well as organizationally, therefore "Pacifica Base".

    There was no internet at the time and I recall making an extra effort to look it up. All I could determine was that it was Spanish for the Pacific Ocean or as an adjective it meant peaceful. I remember thinking, "So why not just say "Pacific", that is what we do say after all?"

    Apparently at some point somebody at the top pulled this old survey out, dusted it off and proudly baptized the Complex as "Pacifica Base".
  9. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    PAC....was loosely used to name "the Complex..."...and used perhaps incorrectly as interchangeable with Big Blue...or "the Complex"

    I never knew where it was....but assume at PAC Base....there is an actual PAC office somewhere.

    Don't know the extent of the regions that PAC is over....

    Each Org at the Complex.....had a Commanding Officer.....

    But at one point in the 90's....there was a guy, that the Public was introduced to at some briefing as the "actual" PAC Commanding Officer.

    He was about 6 feet.....WASP type......and what struck me....wore very finely crafted, aviator style eyeglasses....the frames of which were EXTREMELY to be almost not there...or invisable. It struck me that he might have been embarrassed that he had to wear glasses at all....

    I use to see him walking around the Base once in a while.

    I don't know the signifigance of the Cult's use of the word opposed to Org. I suppose BASE is a collection of building or in INT Base....
  10. The_Fixer

    The_Fixer Class Clown

    Oooh, a baby huntsman.

    They love a little kiss and a cuddle.

    BTW, they are not only found in a dunny. They enjoy walking over you in the middle of the night. Especially if it's pitch black...
  11. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    We seem to be figuring out that this scapegoating was standard operating procedure. If you proceed from the premise that "Source" was infallible, then by definition someone else must always be responsible for the big mistakes and bad PR.

    It also explains why Comm-Evs (Committee of Evidence) come across more as tribunals.

    So for the benefit of our readers, if I got this right: Paulette Cohen was just an auditor who was given the task of verifying on the e-meter R/Ses (Rock Slams) which were being systematically culled from staff PC folders under the order of Wayne Marple who was the IC (In-Charge) of an LRH Mission. After up to 200 staff were assigned to the RPF for R/Ses it was later determined that Paulette had mistaken innocuous Dirty Needle reads for the very serious R/Ses.

    Is that a correct assessment?

    Can we assume that Paulette was also assigned to the RPF?
  12. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Thank you Cat's Squirrel! There are contributors here who go back much farther than myself and there are quite a few who go back to the pre DM period. However, even for someone like myself who witnessed the PAC RPF in the 70s, it was a revelation to hear Hana Whitfield describe the way the RPF was applied previously on the ship. I think it is fair to say that most of us at the time thought what was happening in PAC was an aberration that would be ultimately resolved and never repeated. Now we know it was routine and LRH was the prime creator and instigator.

    I personally do not understand or know the FZ but anyone who is still a cheerleader for LRH needs to understand this history. While in the SO, you just don't go around seeking or stirring up gossip and you sure aren't conducting internet research to find out what is happening around you in other orgs or up-lines. So even within the bubble there are bubbles within bubbles. It is amazing that 30+ years later I can now find out more than I could on staff at the time. So even veterans who were at Flag or Saint Hill during the 1970s PAC RPF may not have known what it was really like.
  13. Veda

    Veda Sponsor


    It seems unlikely that anyone hasn't seen these quotes, but here they are just in case. :)

    From a 1986 interview of Martin Samuels, former Mission Holder, and founder of the Delphian School:

    Hubbard operated according to a couple of key patterns.

    The first pattern involved basically decent well intentioned people... no one was able to rise in the organization to a point of any real proximity to him, without being attacked and vilified...

    The next pattern: It's reap and rape. Hubbard would let the reins loose. He'd let people believe they really could get on with it... He'd let people believe they really could prosper to the full extent of their own ability, and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

    And, with that kind of freedom, prosperity does occur, Inevitably, though, he'd come along and rape and pillage and rip off and take what had been produced. The most dramatic example of this was '82, '83, when he 'raped' his most decent people in management along with the mission holders, and looted the entire mission network.

    And look at this pattern... He surrounded himself with absolute hooligans as 'managers'; guys who beat the shit out of people. This man, who 'is this OT, the author of Science of Survival, completely able to predict human behavior', surrounded himself with ruthless people - like Miscavige - who got there because they emulated Hubbard's savagery. They emulated his total willingness to completely break, use, and discard another person.

    And then after their hands were so bloody - and the only reason their hands were bloody was that they were doing what Hubbard wanted - when it finally started to get to the point where it couldn't be tolerated by people anymore, Hubbard wiped them out. Then he said. 'My God! I didn't know!' Scapegoat. He even did that to his own wife, who went to jail in his place...

    An excerpt from Russell Miller's interview of David Mayo, from August 1986:

    ...From time to time, Hubbard would cancel such activities like the chain locker, and blame it on someone else... He would start such pronouncements with, 'It has just come to my attention...'

    And for those who feel that while Hubbard may have had anger management issues, the auditing tech and the "Bridge" were sacrosanct, there's this from a 1989 article on Clear by David Mayo:

    It was PR and marketing considerations that led Hubbard to decide that certain people were 'clear' at a certain point... ​

    And some more from the 1986 Miller interview of David Mayo:

    He told me he was obsessed with an insatiable lust for power and money. He said it very emphatically. He thought it wasn't possible to get enough. He didn't say it as if it was a fault, just his frustration that he couldn't get enough.
  14. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    When the order and emergency story came down lines you were either on-board with it or in trouble. What generally appeared as 'esprit de corps' was just a lot of self reassuring ra! ra!

    Lets hear 3 Cheers for LRH! Hip, Hip! Hooray!

    F. Bullbait, "Booooooo!".

    Not going to happen.
  15. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Yeah. I was there for ten years and never thought of the P in PAC as anything other than Pacific, as in ocean, as that made sense. I remember once seeing a fancy blue sign saying "Pacifica" and thinking huh?

  16. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    I'm not sure if she went to the RPF but I know she got declared.
  17. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Kill autocorrect and have a party!

    From the iPad Home Screen, go to Settings and tap on General.
    Scroll down to the bottom of the menu and tap on the Keyboard setting.
    Slide to set Check Spelling and Auto-Correction to ON or OFF.


  18. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Exactly! It was a real "Huh" moment back then and it is now. I guess its Pacifica Base for the staff and Pacifica Bridge for the public. I get a kick out of that, like what do the public make of it? "Oh, Bridge - that must be that catwalk thing between ASHO and the Main Building."

    I'm expecting it to get renamed "Pacifica Mecca", but then they will need to replace the cross with a crescent moon and star.
  19. Leland

    Leland Crusader


    Sometimes difficult for a "Public" to get that the Sea Org....was a MILITARY organization.....and ran on Orders...and Command hierarchy.
  20. Leland

    Leland Crusader

    I had thought is might be a nod to...and trying to include the Latins in the make-up of Los Angeles....But

    In Spanish, Pacific is Pacifico.

    Latin words can designate masculine by a word ending in O....and feminine ....with a word ending in A.

    So the Cult....seems to have, with the use of Pacifica.......not understood that Latins would take this as Feminine....and a miss spelling of their language...

    Or they copied the name of a Chrysler....of the same name...
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2015

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