Please help me understand IQ tests and scores post Scientology.

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  1. Rene Descartes

    Rene Descartes Gold Meritorious Patron

    A nice revelation from Mr Einstein.

  2. Dr. Stephen Price

    Dr. Stephen Price New Member

    I'm surprised that with all our high IQ's courtesy Hubbards own test, no one complains about their long checksheet time, outlasting the normal duration.
  3. Feral

    Feral Rogue male

    My IQ went up dramatically from either receiving auditing or being given repeated chances of getting a perfect score on the IQ test.

    It went from 117 to 151 over my Scientology career.

    It doesn't puzzle me as much as the OCA score changes, my graph went from 'train wreck', when I was a confused teenager to "all 80s" when I was on OTVII...funny thing was when my life and sanity went to shit and I became an actual train wreck after thousands of hours on OTVII it didn't show up on my OCA. WTF?

    I think the explanation is in this brilliant scientific study;

  4. Boojuum

    Boojuum Silver Meritorious Patron

    IQ is such an explosive topic.

    As an educator in Scientology and in grad school, I was stunned at the quickness and brilliance of many students as well as the dullness of many others. I'd find both the fast and slow sitting side by side in that same class. The difference in the quality of the work was surprising but the outcomes were quite similar. In Scientology, a cert is a cert. In academia, getting a degree is usually the critical requirement. Yet, the quickness is something that is looked upon as a rare or interesting skill that virtually no career minded person measures--once the class is over. IQ is a rough measure and it usually comes with a splash of ego.
  5. clamicide

    clamicide Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'm planning on really reading this thread giving a full reply when I have computer phone and Swype makers the simplest post painful, but this is a big thing for me.. I think the IQ thing is an odd idiotic scam in many ways..

    The IQ that was on record for me is higher than the cults test could score me.

    Anyhow, I just happened across this book in the library today. It's called The mismeasure of Man, author is Gould. I just , started but I thinas looking fascinating,
  6. williamhwill

    williamhwill New Member

    It is recommended that you hire someone to perform an actual IQ test. There is a huge difference in generic self study tests and the ones that are delivered by a true professional.

    That being said, if you test the exact same on an IQ test one year later, your IQ has dropped because it is a quotient that takes age into account (dividing your intellect score by your age).

    However, you can take comfort in the fact that an IQ test is practically useless and it is a measure of 'so called intelligence' at best.
  7. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum No clam ID persists in post Axis of Exes orbit

    My IQ tests taken at my Catholic HS were 130 & 132. Then after some Scientology processing & training, applying their "study tech" they tested me at 148 down at the morgue.
    My friend Keith from div 6 tested 156 but he lived more stupidly than anyone I knew or remembered knowing. I found that the less the subject matter had to do with him personally, the smarter he was, as well as the reverse.
    I came to realize that some people appear smarter than they really are because they collect endless trivia and read compulsively because it serves to distract them from their fucked up lives.
    I began to see that being "test smart" and "living smart" can be totally in contrast with one another.
    People that test smart have larger vocabularies from all their reading and associations conversing with "egg heads" which allows them to test better on those tests but that is no measure of native intellect.
    I'll take living smart over testing smart any old day.
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  8. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    I don't know if I'm 'test smart' or not, but going by the number of books I've read from the age of five onwards I should be a fucking genius. Unfortunately I've never been able to remember what I ate for breakfast never mind being a smartass and quoting Latin from the classics, so all my reading has been in vain really other than to pass the time in my excruciatingly sad and boring life.
  9. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    The scam they run with IQ tests involves the test being administered non-standardly.

    It's supposed to be a timed test. They don't always do the time limit.

    You're also not supposed to administer the same test twice. The second time, you remember many of the problems, and how you figured them out, so of course you will get through the problems faster, and thus have a higher score.
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  10. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    The idea of an 'IQ test' is simply cosmetic, a method of making first contact with the general public with a subject that interests them to a certain degree, their IQ. Once you have them in your grasp you can tell them what they want to hear, that their problems can be solved, their ills cured, their abilities enhanced etc. etc. Whether it's accurate or delivered in a standard or non-standard way is practically immaterial.
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  11. TomKat

    TomKat Patron Meritorious

    When I first took the test at the beginning of my Scn (and college) career I scored 135 (because I didn't know what "insular" meant). Subsequent identical tests were all in the lower to mid 140s, but they weren't taken back-to-back, they were separated by years. Once I took a non-Scn test and got 144. So I'm not sure having taken the test priorly changes the result much.
  12. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    Yes, I was thinking of the practice of taking the test before and after an auditing action.
  13. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum No clam ID persists in post Axis of Exes orbit

    That cuts to the quick of it.
    Word familiarity is no indication of inherent intellect!
    It just means that you might hang with peeps that like to throw around big fucking words.
    My second to last position was as a Work Order Coordinator/Contracts Specialist with the county gov where I last worked and I had a loud and proud Mensa member sitting on either side of me and they would argue over their cubicle walls all day long with me caught in the crossfire!
    Finally, I just had to speak up and say, even though I was the new guy and risked them teaming up and turning on me, "sounds to me like Mensa is more a meeting of the ego's than a meeting of the minds".
    That shut them up for good because, in their cases at least, it was the utter truth!
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  14. TomKat

    TomKat Patron Meritorious

    ahh. yeah, that's just cheating
  15. George Layton

    George Layton Silver Meritorious Patron

    What's your IQ if you refuse to take scientology's IQ test?
  16. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum No clam ID persists in post Axis of Exes orbit

    Completely off the charts!
  17. Enthetan

    Enthetan Master of Disaster

    I have a friend who hosts meetings of the Mensa society. I never joined, although I qualify (IQ 146, tested in high school) It's my observation that many Mensa members are a bit dysfunctional.

    Normal high-IQ people don't need to go to Mensa meetings to interact with other high-IQ people. They interact with similarly smart people at work, they live in middle/upper-middle-class neighborhoods next to smart people, and their social circle tends to be full of smart people.
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  18. DagwoodGum

    DagwoodGum No clam ID persists in post Axis of Exes orbit

    Yeah, I think those types are desperate to find intelligent others to interact with when their own lives don't reflect their purported genius and therefore they don't draw intelligent people to their social circle, if they have one. The two I mentioned are both deceased now, one from a heart valve defect and the other became a down and out crack head when her daughters first had problems with the stuff and she descended into their lives of crack addiction with the intent of rescuing them only to get ensnared in it herself. We were so shocked when we'd see that she kept getting arrested for possession of crack cocaine and drug paraphernalia.
  19. F.Bullbait

    F.Bullbait Oh, a wise guy,eh?

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  20. Teanntás

    Teanntás Silver Meritorious Patron