Scientology case has judges debating the meaning of religion

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  1. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    Case is brought by Louisa Hodkin, who wishes to marry her fiance in the Church of Scientology's building in London

    Full story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/18/scientology-case-judges-religion
     
  2. uncover

    uncover Silver Meritorious Patron

    From the article:
    I think he never heard about COB Miscavige and applauding to the picture of already gone Hubbard. Co$ should invite him to the next IAS-Event in Saint Hill.
     
  3. Idle Morgue

    Idle Morgue Gold Meritorious Patron

    Scientology case has judges debating the meaning of religion

    Well, imagine how WE feel!
    :omg:
     
  4. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

  5. La La Lou Lou

    La La Lou Lou Crusader

  6. ClearedSP

    ClearedSP Patron with Honors

    The question was whether or not an org constitutes a place of worship. If you ever worshiped in an org, now's your chance to speak up.
     
  7. TG1

    TG1 Angelic Poster

    When labor and employment lawyers started re-writing staff contracts to help the cult stay out of legal trouble for human trafficking, imprisonment and re-education.

    TG1
     
  8. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    The local org here differentiates between staff and volunteers and usually makes people volunteer for a couple months before they can officially join staff. Volunteers of course have no contract and are not obligated to do anything in particular, they are just public who do things for the org on a regular basis.
     
  9. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    To me, Scientology is clearly a non-theistic religion and its rather pedantic to say that their buildings can not be classified as "places of worship". Do they apply the same standard to the buildings of other non-theistic religions? I'm not trying to stand up for Scientology here btw - only the rights of non-theistic religions in general.
     
  10. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    I never saw any religion in it the entire time I was there. Just greedy people thought-controlling others and pressuring them to scam the gullible out of their money and labour and lives. There was no "worship" in our laughably named fraudulent and so-called "church" - or anything else of a spiritual nature. Lots of yelling and abuse and shunning and screwing though.
     
  11. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    The term "volunteer" or "staff" has always been interchangeable depending on which one suited the cult's purposes at the time. This has enabled them to have it both ways.
     
  12. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    You might have missed this:

     
  13. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    I agree that this is how many of the staff are - but I believe that many of the regular members of church genuinely consider it to be a religion and whether not I agree with the practices of the church I don't feel its my place to tell them they cannot label their beliefs a 'religion' just because it does not fit my standards of that word.
     
  14. Anonycat

    Anonycat Crusader

    I'm not sure if you read both sources you wish to compare, but this is also from the Wiki page:

    See also

    Antitheism
    Atheism
    Christian atheism
    Creativity (religion)
    Church of Satan
    Conceptions of God
    Deconstruction-and-religion
    Ethical Culture
    Falsifiability
    Freethought
    Irreligion
    Language, Truth, and Logic
    Mu (negative)
    Naturalistic pantheism
    Nondualism
    Raëlism
    Secular humanism
    Theism
    Transcendentalism
    Transtheistic
    Unitarian Universalism
     
  15. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    No I saw that and that's exactly what I do not understand because that's the same as saying all non-theistic religions do not qualify as religions which is something I do not at all agree with.
     
  16. WildKat

    WildKat Gold Meritorious Patron

    I always had the idea of "worship" as meaning something like "groveling before a supreme being". I guess since any pathetic Scino still left in the cult pretty much has to grovel before Miscabbage and must consider him supreme and all-powerful (since he holds their "eternity" at stake), then maybe Cof$ is now in fact a TRUE religion! :biggrin:
     
  17. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    Probably, but at least at the local org they have used those as two different terms when talking to me.
     
  18. Purple Rain

    Purple Rain Crusader

    My manic depressive acute paranoid schizophrenic ex-boyfriend, founder and only member of the Church With No Floor, was also entitled to his spiritual beliefs but it didn't mean the rest of us should have to accept it as a valid religion. Scientology is and has always been a vehicle to make someone rich. It deserves no more acknowledgement than that, especially in light of the abuses mandated by its own policies.
     
  19. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    I think that this is what many people think, but my point here is that there are other definitions of worship. From the wikipedia page on worship:

    "Worship in Buddha Dharma may take innumerable forms given the doctrine of skillful means. Worship is evident in Buddhism in such forms as: guru yoga, mandala,thanka, yantra yoga, the discipline of the fighting monks of Shaolin, panchamrita, mantra recitation, tea ceremony, ganacakra, amongst others."

    and going even further:

    "In modern society and sociology, some writers have commented on the ways that people no longer simply worship organised religions, but many now also worship consumer brands,[10] sports teams, and other people (celebrities).[11] Sociology therefore extends this argument to suggest that religion and worship is a process whereby society worships itself, as a form of self-valorization and self-preservation."
     
  20. kate8024

    kate8024 -deleted-

    But how does the state recognizing his religion hurt you? It doesn't mean that you personally have to accept his religion as valid. The church of Scientology has many valid things to say against it and has committed ass-tons of crimes, but to deny the right of people to call their beliefs a religion is not right.
     

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